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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Who made the assumption?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: So if we give an undertaking that we will keep it confidential and within the committee, is the Secretary General saying he would furnish us with the report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: It is a binary question; "Yes" or "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Who would instruct Mr. Watts to do so? Who do we need to ask? Which Minister do we need to ask?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: I am asking the question about the report here. The Secretary General has refused to furnish us with the report. Now, he is saying that he is instructed to furnish us with the report, he will do so. He wants us, as a committee, to ask the Minister to instruct him to furnish us with the report. Is that it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Is that a "Yes" or a "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: I did not ask the Secretary General that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: We can decide if it is in the State's interest. If, as a committee, we give a commitment to keep the report, if furnished, confidential, does Mr. Watt have a difficulty in supplying the report? He has cast an aspersion that it would be published.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Watt asked who would take accountability if it was leaked.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Well, I am going to ask the Chair and the Comptroller and Auditor General, before my time is up,-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: -----if it is possible for us, as a committee, to receive this report on a confidential basis for our information, and not to publish it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Is it fair to say that the Secretary General does not have the final determination on whether we should receive the report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: I seek a quick clarification from Mr. Watt. He said the children's hospital was 55% complete. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: We need clarity on that because, based on the information Mr. Watt gave to the Committee of Public Accounts on Tuesday, €873 million is to be drawn down and that would represent 60% of the overall budget. If he is saying it is less than 60%, that would give a significant overrun. If it was 55%, which is what I think he said, that would bring us up to €1.6 billion. Will Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: So 60% of the budget being drawn down does not equate to 60% of the project being complete. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: That is in Mr. Watt's correspondence. It refers to €873 million of €1.433 billion, which is, as he says in his letter, the approved budget for the capital project. It remains at €1.433 billion. Is he saying the €873 million that is being drawn down at year end 2021 is not representative of the completion stage, which he said was 60%? Today he said 55%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: It would have a significant impact. There would be a significant increase in the budget. Does the €1.433 billion include what Children's Health Ireland budget would be?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
(16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: No, so that is an extra €300 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Yes, but should we hold it for a period? I have not had an opportunity to review it and I have not been able to comment on it. If other members want to agree to publish it, that is no problem, but will it then be too late to write back to the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2021)

Verona Murphy: Perhaps we could leave it until our next meeting.

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