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Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Dr. Thorn propose to speak to the whistleblowers?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will this process act as a break in any other processes such as the kind of issues I raised with Professor Fitzgerald earlier, where there might be a disciplinary matter that needs to be attended to?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will Dr. Thorn be reporting to Dr. Love?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is important that we have an understanding as to what happens to that report then. Typically, this committee ends up dealing retrospectively with a mess and this is one hell of a mess in Limerick. It is important that Dr. Thorn is present and that we can get ahead of this issue. In addition to the Department and HEA, I would like Dr. Thorn to report back here also. Is that possible? Is...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is that acceptable from the Department's point of view because we will have to see what it comes up with?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Professor Fitzgerald is a fresh pair legs for this task. The objective is to definitively deal with everything from start to finish, including the fact that two employees are currently on extended suspensions.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has Professor Fitzgerald met the whistleblowers?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Professor Fitzgerald will appreciate there is a huge reluctance among people within the university to come forward.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I invite Dr. Thorn to confirm whether he will interview and speak to Professor Don Barry, former president of the University of Limerick, as part of his investigation.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Dr. Thorn. He is examining many dimensions and it is a substantial job of work that he has undertaken. What qualifies him to investigate allegations of fraud, which is what this amounts to in respect of bogus expenses claims?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I recognise that.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: There will be matters that are technical in nature and potentially relate to fraudulent claims.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has that been factored into the HEA's plans?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Provide technical expertise. In other words, Dr. Thorn will not draft a report that shows conspicuous absences within his investigation.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I wish to ask Professor O'Shea about Professor Emeritus Connell Fanning and the Keynes Centre. We do not have time to get into it, but a question was asked of UCC and Professor Fanning about the centre's output. Is it a separate institute?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It was an unanswered question in our programme. Could we have some detail of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is illegible.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I will not reiterate any of the points that have been made already. Can Dr. Love say whether the HEA or the Department had sight of the whistleblowers' complaints?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The anonymous ones.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes, in CIT.

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