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Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: In some instances, the NTA decides to actually tender these out.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: Bus Éireann or Dublin Bus can tender for them, but so too can private operators.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: Whoever wins the award is provided with the bus.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am talking about the situation now. Is it fair to say that in the majority of those cases into the future the NTA will actually be providing the buses?

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: With the contracts that are being awarded, the NTA has determined the frequency and location of services. It sets out the route, the location of the stops and the times at which the service is to be available. It then provides a bus.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: The only distinction between the tenders that come in will actually be cost for which they offering to provide the service.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: It is what they are going to charge the NTA.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: The fares will be the same.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: In essence, whoever can manage to get staff at a cheaper rate will win the NTA award.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: What does that mean? Is it their track record?

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: However, the route is set down.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: As a result, there is no distinction regarding the frequency or the number of stops on the different tenders. The bus will be provided by the NTA. I presume there is a standard for servicing. The tenderer will not get an award without committing to bring the bus in for regular servicing. Ultimately, the only distinction is how much profit the company intends to make and how much it will...

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Graham will acknowledge-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: Is it fair to say that if I get on one bus versus another bus the only difference will be the terms and condition of the person driving the bus?

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: Perhaps Mr. Gaston could outline if the NTA has actually examined the terms and conditions of the different operators' staff and compared them with those for the State-owned operators.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: I would appreciate a further briefing on that if it could be provided in writing. It appears that we have privatised and are continuing to privatise an increasing number of routes, and the only real impact has been on the terms and conditions of the people who are employed.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: To clarify my position, if you have a service that was previously operated by a State-owned company and it is subsequently operated by a private company, that is the de facto definition of privatisation.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am outlining what I consider to be privatisation.

Public Accounts Committee: National Transport Authority: Financial Statements 2020 (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: This is actually worse, because we are going so far as to provide the bus. Everything is the same. The only difference is in how the company makes a profit and how the staff are being remunerated.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Jan 2022)

Matt Carthy: I have a couple of points for clarification. On the special EU programmes body, Mr. McCarthy has indicated this is done in conjunction with the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland. How does that work if there are essentially two audit processes?

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