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Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes, and I am not sure that I will be able to do this in ten minutes, but I will do my best. I have looked at Professor Fitzgerald's CV. How does he describe himself? Is he a scientist?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Dr. Love a scientist as well?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am surrounded by the scientific community. It is Dr. Thorn and Professor Fitzgerald? I apologise for getting the title wrong. I am pleased that the witnesses are here because it is important that as a committee and as a sector that we begin to look forward rather than going over the entrails of the past. As the witnesses will be aware, this is round three for the University of Limerick...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will come to that in a moment. I have scanned Professor Thorn's CV, which is impressive.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The HEA is the commissioning authority. How did this happen? Did Dr. Love approach Dr. Thorn directly, personally?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who in the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Talk me after what happened next.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who is "we"?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: And with Dr. Love?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Mr. Brownlee a also a scientist?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I saw that. And Dr. Thorn is a Trinity graduate.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, I have read it all. Let me cut to the chase. First, I want to know if Dr. Thorn and Dr. Love know each other very well? Have you had numerous professional dealings? Are the two on boards together?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It does not matter, once a scientist, always a scientist. What, if any, is Dr. Thorn's previous relationship with the University of Limerick?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Professor Fitzgerald's predecessor, Professor Don Barry was a mathematician. I do not know why I am putting that on the record.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What I want to know is how well would Dr. Thorn have known Professor Barry.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So Dr. Thorn had no personal or professional relationship with him.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Dr. Thorn might wonder why I am pursuing this line of questioning. I will state it very directly. If there is anything in Dr. Thorn's professional dealings that compromises his willingness or ability to look at all these matters dispassionately and thoroughly, then we have a problem. It would be a problem in any scenario but it is a much bigger problem because the nub of the accusation...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. I need to talk to Dr. Thorn and he needs to talk to us about that. Why would there be any question mark over whether or not to speak to the previous president?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would it not be absolutely necessary for Dr. Thorn to speak to him? He is examining things such as governance, culture, the turn of events, HR processes. It is a fairly extensive piece of work that is being carried out so how on earth could there have been a question in Dr. Thorn's mind over whether or not he would speak to Professor Barry?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I will be direct with Dr. Thorn. When I read that, it really troubled me that Dr. Thorn was wondering if he would or would not speak to Professor Barry. The article in question is much more definitive. It says that he would not be looking to speak to him. When I went and had a look at Dr. Thorn's profile and saw that he had had an involvement with a college associated with the university,...

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