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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We know legislation takes time but what of those other aspects?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, that would be helpful. On the ex gratia payments in regard to the Department's expenditure on legal aid, presumably there are controls in place and there are very specific arrangements where that happens. Will Ms McPhillips tell us how it happens? What kind of scenario would qualify for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What kind of examples would have fitted in with the Garda station legal aid scheme? Can Ms McPhillips give an example of a scenario where that would apply?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How is that different from-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is this unusual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. O'Sullivan mentioned the time we were fined. What was the extent of that fine?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is there any question of any other fines being in the offing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I thank Ms McPhillips.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Since no one wants to raise any issues, can we note the accounts and statements? Agreed. As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. Moving on to correspondence previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion at the meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: To be clear, are we talking about the scoping inquiry or all the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We can come back to that once we get a response. Correspondence group B comprises correspondence from Accounting Officers and Ministers following up on meetings of this committee. No. 1147B, from Mr. Brendan Gleeson, Secretary General of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, dated 24 March 2022, provides information requested by the committee regarding remuneration for the CEO...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Was the application process open to a wide group of people, including people from other jurisdictions? Did NewERA advise on recruiting or was it just on the salary? Another issue arose over a car that was declined. I believe this pertains to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. We need to make inquiries into what transpired. A salary is one thing but an overall package...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: May I ask that the committee find out what the car costs and whether it is a company car? What are we talking about here?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I wanted, in addition to what is in the correspondence, to query the revenue generated by the player from advertisements, not across the whole platform but just on the player, and the duration of the ads.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I cannot for the life of me understand why the Benefacts database was dispensed with, but it has moved on and the Department of Rural and Community Development is exploring options that essentially involve duplicating what was already there. It was a very useful database. Is there a role for people who were involved in Benefacts? I know databases go out of date if one does not continue to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It is an awful waste of money.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Another question that we probably have to ask the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform when it comes in is why it did this, given that a duplicate will be required and there will be a gap in timelines. Where does value for money come into it if you get rid of something that functions and then create something that is similar? This is a prototype for how to waste money. It is infuriating.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We have a very ambitious target for something like 100,000 electric vehicles. This relates to the second-hand car market. There is a world of difference between second-hand electric vehicles and other second-hand vehicles. If one buys a second-hand petrol car with 60,000 miles on the clock, one will have a rough idea of the lifespan of the car but if one buys an electric vehicle, the...

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