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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Is there any other response? Does Dr. Byrne want to come in here?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: The Deputy is asking Ms Petrie about the length of a long-term lease and what her definition of "long" is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: On the practicalities of that, if we are going to introduce another new definition of a long-term lease, it could cause complications in getting across what is a very positive proposal and initiative from the Society of St Vincent de Paul. It would probably make sense that it would align with the refurbishment grant where, correct me if I am wrong, a property has to be leased out for a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Before we bring in the SEAI, I will say that, on that last point, we would all be concerned if public money was being misused to increase the value of a house. However, that is addressed in the refurbishment grant scheme. There is a clawback built into it and I am sure a clawback could easily be built into this. It would require a change to the scheme that is there at the moment but, rather...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: The ball has very much been kicked into Dr. Keilthy's court by some of those responses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Before I call Deputy Ó Cathasaigh, I will pick up on Ms Petrie’s final point. Now that smart meters, especially prepay ones, are being rolled out across the country, a great deal of data is being collected. Is Ms Petrie suggesting we as a committee should look to the regulator to ensure this data is used to identify vulnerable customers and put in place a different support for them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: That is something that the committee could take up directly with the regulatory. Was one of Deputy Donnelly’s questions missed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Dr. Kielthy, do you want to come in on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Is there a difficulty with this in that the people we are talking about here, who we really need to do that, are not the ones who are, in general, going to be able to use those apps? I know in the UK, they have developed a service where people go physically to the homes and do an assessment on it. We all know that there is still low-hanging fruit there with regard to insulating attics. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Are there any other comments anyone wishes to make?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Does Mr. O'Mahony wish to come back on that? He does not have to admit that he is from Cork either.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: It is something the committee could make a recommendation on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Would it be more useful if the Deputy shared it in correspondence and we got the SEAI to come back?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: The committee would be very interested in any suggestions Dr. Kelithy has in that area. If she could forward them to us, we would be very interested to hear them. My apologies for interrupting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: Briefly. In fairness, Senator Wall has been waiting to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: I have a few questions and comments relating to the evidence that has been given this morning. On a broader issue, all members are visiting quite a lot of constituents in person at the moment, as the witnesses have heard. There is an opportunity here for the SEAI to put together a leaflet on some of the simple measures that could be taken to reduce energy costs in homes, as well as to raise...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: The SEAI will probably not be able to answer this question but it may come back to me on it. Dr. Byrne spoke about the grant for retrofitting. We all receive emails from businesses. What is happening regarding grant funding for assisting businesses? Has it increased to the same rate as for homes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: In fairness, that piece of research was commissioned at a time when there was no evidence in the northern hemisphere whatsoever in that regard. Bizarrely, it has taken a phenomenal period of time for the research to be carried out. It has taken even longer for it to be published. It was eventually completed last October and still has not been published. The Economic and Social Research...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Energy Poverty: Discussion (17 Jan 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank our guests from the SEAI and the Society of St. Vincent de Paul for their evidence. This is an ongoing issue for the committee. We are going to make recommendations in this area. If they have any further feedback, or any suggestions or thoughts, on how policies could be adapted or changed, or new proposals that may be brought forward, we would like to hear from our guests. I know...

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