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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: All right. There is no PR firm. Can Mr. Culhane give us a breakdown of where €231,000 went after the fact?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Can Mr. Culhane confirm whether the contracts were tendered for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: All of them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I wonder about the 73 contracts that were non-compliant. To what did those contracts relate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Yes. We are down to €9.5 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: What are the procurement guidelines for the Garda Síochána? I am from Sligo. Let us say towing services are required in Sligo. Is a conscious decision made to support the local sheriff? Are there guidelines that specifically dictate that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I am talking about where there were no tenders for 73 contracts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: When there is no tender, does the Garda Síochána have its own guidelines that instruct people how to proceed? Is it a case of seeking the services of John the local tow truck owner?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I agree and I know how tenders work. We are specifically talking about instances where the procurement guidelines were not followed. In the event that they were not followed, namely, where there is an emergency and a need to move quickly, what are the guidelines then? Is it a case of contacting the first person that is available? I am using the example of the tow truck but I am sure there...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Let us say it cost €1 million for tow trucks and €2 million for the medical side. That means we are down to €8.5 million. What were the other costs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It was a pretty obvious question for us to ask.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It is unfortunate that Mr. Culhane did not bring the list.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. McCarthy have the list with him?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: How would the Garda know whether an organisation had tax clearance if it was not following-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Has it ever arisen that the Garda has used the services of somebody who did not have his or her tax clearance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I know. We were talking about emergencies and I am still at €8.5 million. I understand the position regarding moneys spent on tow trucks and the medical contract but I do not know where the other €8.5 million has gone. I appreciate that the Garda Síochána will provide us with the breakdown. Surely , Mr. Culhane, as the head of finance, would be aware of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Surely he could give a best guess on where the €8.5 million went.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Culhane could give a best guess in respect of where most of that €8.5 million went. I am not talking about sundries worth a couple of thousand euro, I am talking about €8.5 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Apart from towing and the medical contract that Mr. Culhane has mentioned, what else was there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It is a little bit frightening that we would be obliged to guess at all in respect of such an amount of money. This is the Committee of Public Accounts and the issue raised relates to 73 contracts in respect of which €11.5 million was spent. The witnesses do not have the list with them so we do not know where the money went. That does not inspire confidence. Any business of...

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