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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: If there is a specific issue in counties Wicklow or Kildare that is not an issue everywhere else, how do the people in County Cavan know what the issue is?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The internal audit group, however, is fairly external to the organisation. There is an opportunity for the ETB audit group to make a suggestion but it seems to be fairly external to the board.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: A shared service, however, is not internal to each specific ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is my point exactly. If an issue that emerges in an ETB does not emerge across the board, there does not seem to be a mechanism for that to be identified. We need to examine these three issues nationally but there might be specific issues in an ETB that are not captured by the national audit. If the group does an internal audit in an ETB, there could be a significant problem but it...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I can see the value of the national internal audit unit. The problem, however, is the issue that may emerge in an individual ETB due to something going wrong. If the audit committee does not receive the flow of information from an ETB, how does it know something is going on? If it spots something for which it would like internal support, I am sure it would take two years before somebody...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it is the case, the Department has taken the ability from the hands of the local ETBs. If an ETB believes there is a particular problem, what can it do?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department understands my concern. I feel there is a gap in regard to the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will let the witnesses consult for a few moments.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Approached on behalf of the ETB, it is a contractual obligation.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: They had the legal authority to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Let me ask a question.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy should be quick.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a reserved function.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a nominee company.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy knows the rules of the committee. No member other than members of the committee can speak. It is above my pay grade to deal with that.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I do not mean to be insulting, but I cannot allow into the debate someone who is not a member of the Committee on Public Accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That report related to the Kildare Vocational Education Committee, VEC.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In case anyone leaves, the meeting will stop at 2 p.m. and the question arises as to when we will resume. There are other witnesses coming before the committee but there are quite a few votes in the Dáil. It may have to resume at 3.30 p.m.

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