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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: I thank the two delegates for appearing before us and giving a very courageous account of what they have experienced as civilians working in An Garda Síochána. Their presentations illustrate very concerning levels of dysfunction at an organisational level where there is a clear mismatch between what is being pronounced publicly or to us as committee members and what is happening...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: On the report presented to the Policing Authority, private correspondence was sent to the group stating some of the recommendations which had been made or the data quality were or was inherently weak, confined or restricted. Who authored that criticism?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Who led the PDIM group at the time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: At that stage Ms West felt her integrity was under attack.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: There was pressure to sign off on the report. Who applied that pressure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Was it pressure to sign off on the report or to change the approach to the way the group had analysed the data? Both delegates have mentioned in their evidence that there had been no disagreement at the nine previous meetings and that there had been a collaborative approach to trying to address the issues involved. Was it purely pressure to sign off on the report or was there the crux of a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Ms West has also mentioned that there was a conversation in August between the Policing Authority and An Garda Síochána and that contact was made about the information that had been withheld but not by the Policing Authority. Contact was made by someone within An Garda Síochána. Was she concerned that the Policing Authority had made no contact with her or Ms Galligan?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Ms West was concerned that the Policing Authority had made no attempt to engage with her on the issues she had brought to bear.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Ms Galligan has given a comprehensive breakdown of the data from June, July, September and October. There are four sets of data - four reports - for the homicide and suspicious death incidents. There appears to be a growing number in each of the metrics used for homicides, the unrecorded numbers, deaths where there was no crime, where there was suspicion regarding a death and fatal hit and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Would it be fair to say that for every month Ms Galligan checked in 2017, there was a growing number of issues in the live recording of data in the data sets she examined?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: There were no subsequent changes to the data fields or data recorded made when Ms Galligan submitted them to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: New ones were discovered. Did Ms Galligan say there were 95 data quality-related deaths?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Is Ms Galligan confident that in the months from then to now, there has been an improvement in the data recording of deaths?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Has the witness looked at the cases this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: To go back, Dr. Singh told us some weeks ago that the September report was approved by him and he was happy to stand over it. Is Ms Galligan happy to stand over the September report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: The report in September was very different to the one the witnesses read in May.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Yes. An Garda Síochána informed this committee there was an error and that it related to a slight interpretation difference. Do the witnesses want to comment on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: We were told six months would be the timeline for completion of the overall broadened review of this. Does Ms Galligan think that is achievable or will happen within the timeframe in light of the other delays we have seen?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: This is my final question because I must leave. We are looking at a specific data set. This concerns the CSO and others, and we have concerns. We have had the breath test issue as well. Are the witnesses aware of any other areas of concern around data and data recording that should be explored further?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Homicide Statistics: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Mar 2018)

Jack Chambers: Do the witnesses have any examples of other data fields they feel should be further explored?

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