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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why did the Commissioner not do it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why did the Commissioner need legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is that the Commissioner's managerial style? Is her leadership style such that she asks for legal advice on everything before she makes an intervention of that sort?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is there not a disciplinary procedure within An Garda Síochána? Are there not standard channels and mechanisms for dealing with either what the Commissioner describes as personality clashes or tensions between individuals or acts which would be considered offside and unacceptable by management and by the person in charge of An Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: To summarise, because I am mindful of the time, the Commissioner is telling the committee that she has those channels and procedures and that she is the person in charge, but when something like this happens, which is an obvious matter of concern as any attempt to interfere with the carrying out of the internal audit function is, of course, going to cause alarm, she cannot either approach the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: There is no evidence of the Commissioner taking immediate or decisive action in this whole debacle. On the contrary, we seem to have heard of a decision, taken at whatever level, not to inform the Comptroller and Auditor General to keep these matters beyond the purview of the Committee of Public Accounts. We dealt with correspondence earlier today, which I will not retread, in terms of a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Commissioner failed to act decisively. Is this not a testament to the failure of her leadership within An Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: When?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can the Commissioner write to us and set out on paper the facts in respect of Mr. Howard's ask of her to intervene? He was asking her to intervene and override the attack on Mr. Kelly by Mr. Culhane. We have had a vague sense of something happening and legal advices but can we have on paper dates, times, if possible, and exactly the nature of the decisive intervention?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Commissioner will, I am sure, have noticed from many of the contributions that the committee is a little frustrated by the conflicting evidence and accounts being given. Notwithstanding the fact that the system and practices at Templemore college date back decades, we have not had from An Garda Síochána collectively a coherent or credible account or response in terms of what...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Before Ms O'Sullivan does that, she misled the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Ms O'Sullivan accepts she misled the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is his contention.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Ms O'Sullivan's antennae were not up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Amiss.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So when Ms O'Sullivan signed that letter to the Comptroller and Auditor General, she could not have been sure in her mind that it was an accurate and true reflection of the state of play.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I fail to see how Ms O'Sullivan could have been satisfied in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: How long is the Commissioner in the Garda Síochána? Is it all her working career?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: This is my final point.

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