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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: No, this is not a case of "if". If we had the completion date when it should be, Mr. Gunning would have a fair idea.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Does that fair idea equate to BAM's claim against the board?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Is it anywhere near it?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Give us a rough estimate.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I am sure that it is the case.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Hold on a second now. Mr. Gunning has said it is not but he does not want to tell me what it is. Why?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is not hypothetical because it can be fairly well established. Can it not, Mr. Gunning?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning has just said it did not equate to BAM's claim so he must have an idea. Can he give me the figure?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: This could take two hours.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Please give us one of them in the two minutes remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: This is where we were at when the Vice Chair made her opening statement about witnesses not coming in and co-operating with this committee, which is tasked with ensuring value for money for the Exchequer. I have asked Mr. Gunning a very simple question. Nobody is going to hold him to it. We have ascertained what the value is - 81% - and I ask him to tell us what his estimation is. Nobody...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Can he share that figure with the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Why is he not in a position?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning is here to answer these questions.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning is not interested in the public purse and is looking after BAM.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: No, it is not what Mr. Gunning said but that is how it can be interpreted.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I think that is how it can be interpreted. I asked a simple straightforward question. I asked for an estimated figure and whether the claim Mr. Gunning was trying to establish equates to what BAM is claiming from the board.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is not so much motivation. However, if Mr. Gunning is aware and has established a figure, even if it is an estimate, he should share it with the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning is not prepared to do so.

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