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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The countries in question also have salaried GPs. Can I ask Mr. Mulvany a straight question? Would he bow to the opinion that if the HSE had salaried GPs, it would give it more leverage? If there was a cohort of them, it would improve the HSE's leverage.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Mulvany does not think so. I will disagree with him on that one. I will now bring members back in for a second round of questions. I call Deputy Carthy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just a second. The Deputy has asked which parts. What I would ask is that the Deputy give the witnesses an opportunity to come back with their reply regarding the numbers and that they come back and tell us what they dispute. Mr. Mulvany is disputing the assertions that were made. He can come back and clarify the position and provide answers to the questions asked.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Mr. Mulvany will come back with a detailed reply on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will let the Deputy back in. There will be a third round.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy must be very brief.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: What period of time are we talking about?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is a two-year period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: In that time, €609,000 has been spent on security.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: To be helpful to the Deputy, this question to the Department relates to value for money. We have spent almost the value of the premises on security. I take on board the point that has been made about the amount of money concerned but this is substantial public funding.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The question is whether a situation such as this has come to Mr. O'Grady's attention as the financial person in the Department. He is the principal officer in the finance unit. Would his attention be drawn to those sorts of examples? Would such a figure or case stand out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could the CEO of the HSE come back to the committee with a reply regarding that particular building? I am not familiar with it. The Deputy obviously has some information. It is a legitimate question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy may wish to formulate her question in a particular way. Our guests might come back to the Deputy and the committee on the plan for that particular facility. Security is currently required. Will that continue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will it continue for another year or two? What is the plan? What is HSE Estates saying about the situation? We need an answer on that point. It seems as if public money is being frittered away.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The answer to that question might be the international comparison. Could Mr. Mulvany give that again for the benefit of the committee? How many GPs do we have per 10,000?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I acknowledge nobody from HSE estates is present this morning but my question concerns Abbeyleix hospital. I have raised this issue with the HSE previously and the reason I am raising it today is at national level, the HSE needs to get a handle on policy and the use of money relating to HSE estates. A total of €4 million has been spent on the Abbeyleix hospital, which has 28 beds....

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am looking for a brief answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is good.

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