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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will allow the Deputy to come back in, but we are way over time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The WRC hearing concerns section 39 organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I call Deputy Dillon.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Comptroller and Auditor General clarified that matter earlier, but I will ask him to come back in again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms O'Neill. The issue raised by the two Deputies is the crunch issue, and other Deputies have raised it before. If the HSE cannot come back on this today, I ask it to come back with a schedule of projected recruitment, for want of a better term. I know it takes three or four years to train people, and everybody here would accept that. One of my party colleagues received the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have the principal officer from the finance section in the Department here. Perhaps he could give the Deputy a reply on that question as well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is safe to conclude from the replies that more cash will be required. If the witnesses have further information on that, they might provide it to the committee. We will break for ten minutes. We will restart at 11.15 a.m. sharp.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy's time is nearly up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Can we have an answer by next week?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could we get clarification on that issue from Mr. O'Grady?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will allow the Deputy in a second time. The first issue I wish to raise relates to out-of-hours GP services. Last year, we dealt with the issue of SouthDoc services being closed in a couple of locations without much warning to the public. The provision and cost of those services were raised. On 23 December, people in Laois-Offaly and Longford-Westmeath in the midlands, which is the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Can Mr. Mulvany see how convoluted it is?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I acknowledge that but we are dealing with a convoluted system.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Mulvany has outlined already that there are two companies.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Then there are the GPs, each of whom is a sole trader.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could Mr. Mulvany clarify, with a "Yes" or a "No", that the figure I am quoting for the service, that is, €90 million to €100 million per year, is correct? It is €7.8 million for the midlands services. Direct payments are involved. Could I have a "Yes" or a "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is what I extrapolated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are six different models.

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