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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, the Commissioner cannot continue, she is talking down the clock.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: This is my questioning period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Well, then, she needs to speed up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I hear that. Members of the Oireachtas have spoken vociferously on the recruitment moratorium and the lack of resources for the organisation. They have spoken even more loudly than senior Garda management. That basic data cannot be retrieved speedily in 2017 is a chaotic situation. That is my point. With respect, senior management should be shouting from the rooftops and not perhaps...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: They can go to the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, GSOC.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Thank you. Just for-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of course. I thank the Commissioner for that reassurance-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----we take that as read as citizens of this State. Is Barry O'Brien reviewing lessons learned from an operational policing perspective on how the operation was handled in Jobstown on the day in question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is that lesson learned on the day?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not asking the Commissioner to review a court case. That is not any of our business. That is done and dusted. What policing action is the Commissioner taking in respect of the suggestion, the allegation even, that there was perhaps a deliberate ruse by members of the force to give incorrect evidence or an incorrect account in a court? Is that being reviewed? How is it being handled?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not inviting the Garda Commissioner to do anything of the sort. It would be entirely and wholly inappropriate to do so. I think we can agree it would be a most serious matter if it transpired that anybody - much less an officer of the law - had given incorrect evidence to a court and it would be all the more serious if it were done in a co-ordinated way. I think we can agree that that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does the review include the matter I have raised?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will the review include the matter I have raised?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am well conversant with the courts system. The Garda Commissioner is deliberately not answering my question. It is either the case that Assistant Commissioner Barry O'Brien is reviewing everything, including the grave matter of public concern around potential perjury or misleading of the court, which could not be more serious, or he is not investigating this matter and is simply looking...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: This is filibustering and it is unacceptable.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Assistant Commissioner Barry O'Brien examining the allegation, worry and public concern that officers of An Garda Síochána gave misleading or false evidence to a court of law? That is a "Yes" or "No" question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes or no.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is not what I asked the Commissioner. It is most disrespectful to me and the committee to deliberately not answer a question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does the review include the very serious suggestion regarding the disposition of some of the Commissioner's officers in a court of law? Is Assistant Commissioner O'Brien examining that piece of it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Absolutely

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