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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, before we move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The facts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I suggest we return to that topic because it is broader than the children's hospital. I was a member of the previous Committee of Public Accounts. The Oireachtas has generally accepted until now that a public servant on the board of a company would be constrained by company law and the fiduciary duty on directors in terms of informing a Minister. This circular does not tally with what I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. Two big reports have been presented to us. We have minutes of boards all over the place. There are hundreds of pages. As a matter of form we cannot publish them without having read them because we are giving parliamentary protection to everything in there. It would be imprudent to publish the material without having seen it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand it just noted them. We will ask the secretariats to work out what has been published already. We will agree to ask the HSE, the Department of Health and the various boards to which these documents relate to immediately publish them. Let them take the responsibility for publishing their minutes as it not our function to publish them. We want to highlight two reports that are...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I propose that we write to the board saying we wish to publish it, get its consent and consent from Mazars. If we get their consent we will publish. We will indicate our intention to do so but we will not do it if they do not give their consent. Is that a reasonable approach? I know the Deputy wants to discuss it without publishing it, which is fine. We can discuss it but we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: You did.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The first page of the Mazars report states that before this document or any part of it is disclosed to a third party, its written consent must first be obtained. I presume it got consent to give it to this committee because that is written in black and white. If we are having a discussion on this shortly, I believe it would be useful that the public can see what we are discussing. They...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is 2018 report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will move on shortly but I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It rhymes with-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will hold off-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----just for today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It should have been sorted.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will tell the Deputy the reason I am cautious about it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I propose that we agree that we will publish this report. We want to seek clarification that Mazars has given its consent. If it has given its consent, the secretariat can publish it today, tomorrow or as soon as it is confirmed. If the consent is not available, we are requesting that consent and when we get it, it is our intention to publish that report. I was cautious not just because...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, and the Deputy can tell the secretariat precisely. It goes without saying that we will discuss it again under correspondence next week. At this stage I will take a brief suspension before we move on to our meeting with the broadband providers.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are following up on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a phenomenal amount of documentation. It probably would have been helpful if there was a schedule at the beginning. Maybe there is a schedule such as the freedom of information schedule with a list of documents. It would have been useful had we got an index of everything we were getting. We got bundles of stuff.

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