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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I will read the question once more.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Are there any people involved in the broader review team that have been in positions where they were the recipients of allegations of abuse? It is a "Yes" or a "No". I do not wish to delve or stray or to put people in awkward positions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I think it should be Deputy Neville.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Earlier on, Deputy Sherlock asked a question, and it is the same question that has gone around for the last number of months and years. From figures circulating in the media, we note that 321 alleged victims and 247 alleged perpetrators have been identified. I would have contacted Scouting Ireland myself back in October out of pure and utter frustration, because we were waiting to find a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Before I ask Mr. Begley to expand on that answer, I would like him to tease out something else first. We know the legacy figure since 2012 from the two other organisations. Of the 660 files received from 2012 to 2019, how many are still open? Our guests clearly stated in their opening statement what is reportable. How many of the files were reportable and not reportable?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: That is the crux of the conversation with Scouting Ireland. What defines "historical" and "current"? Two different conversations are taking place. "Current" refers to people who are currently in the organisation or who have children, leaders or board members therein. That has been the definition of "current" since 2012, when Scouting Ireland started. It is not historical. I am well...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: I thank Mr. Tennant for that but he might help us tease it out further. Scouting Ireland was formed in 2003. How many files did it receive from 2003 to 2012?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: How many of the 995?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Does Mr. Tennant mean that no file has been opened since 2012?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: How many are opened files that Scouting Ireland has deemed are not reportable?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Why did Scouting Ireland never discuss the figure when it appeared before the committee previously? I have always discussed historical cases.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Of the 995 files, how many are still open cases, pending investigation? I refer to cases with Scouting Ireland, Tusla or An Garda Síochána.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Of the 995 files, how many have gone to Tusla?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: How many of the files have gone to An Garda Síochána?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: They are all open files.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Mr. Begley, as the new safeguarding manager in Scouting Ireland, cannot tell me how many files that are open on his desk are with the State authorities.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: How many have gone to An Garda Síochána and to Tusla?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Perhaps Mr. Tennant can give me the figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: Of course, it is because behind every file is a child.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Anne Rabbitte: However, behind every child is also a parent who wants to know if the matter has been dealt with by the right authority. I asked the question to allow Mr. Tennant to give me comfort and confidence that he knows how many files have gone where, but he clearly cannot give me those figures.

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