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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We could do cat and mouse here all day. I have no interest in doing that. There is another disclosure. It is not new. It is known to Dr. Murphy. The matters contained therein are very serious. I am not in a position to adjudicate as to the accuracy of any of these matters or to verify them. I am not casting myself in that role.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: When the HEA has done its due diligence, it will discover that CIT is very well aware of the situation. I say that as a word to the wise.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is fine. I thank Dr. Love. My point is made. There is no doubt we will have to return to CIT. We only had a very cursory look at it back in December 2015. There is no doubt in my mind, for all the reasons that other members have set out, that we need to come back and do a comprehensive piece of work. Dr. Murphy will be enjoying his retirement at that stage, but I hope he will come...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would hope that he would make himself available. May I just ask Dr. Murphy about KPMG and Arthur Cox? Who from KPMG was involved? Is there an office in Cork or did they come from Limerick?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What about Arthur Cox? Likewise, I assume it has a fairly big presence. Does it have a Cork office?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Its staff came from Dublin. Although it lays claim to being the real capital, Cork is quite a small city. What are the interactions between boards, boards of directors and the movers and shakers in CIT and KPMG?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is there any crossover in terms of membership of any of CIT's boards or so on?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The governing body or any of the organisational apparatus.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is something we should investigate. This is not to put anyone on the defensive necessarily but it occurs to me that we live on a small island and we have a relatively small population. Once one starts getting into circles of people, people know people who know people. We, as the oversight body, have to be sure that no one allows themselves unthinkingly to be in a position of conflicted...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We need to check that out. When Dr. Murphy was before the committee the last time, 10 December 2015, we asked questions about staff retiring and then returning to work. Interestingly, after Dr. Murphy's appearance, we received a letter from the Cork colleges branch of the Teachers Union of Ireland, TUI. In that letter, the information which Dr. Murphy gave to this committee was...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I will help Dr. Murphy. The question was put. Dr. Murphy was asked if people had retired and come back to work and he said:Up to this academic year, we did not. However, in the context of industrial action by the Teachers Union of Ireland, under which it basically instructed its members to engage in no overtime whatsoever, there have been a number of cases in which, because of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I use that by way of example of the need for a proper investigation of these matters.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I trust that the training was to assist the witnesses in being concise and accurate rather than in evading questions.

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No.

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: With a heavy heart, he decides-----

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No one is asking for names.

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is rubbish.

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I do not know why the Minister showed up this evening.

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is absolutely farcical.

Appointment to the Judiciary Nomination Procedure: Statements (21 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Were there other applicants?

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