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Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I move amendment No. 27: In page 20, between lines 17 and 18, to insert the following: “(3) (a) Where the determination includes a determination that the applicant is a relevant person, and where an applicant has provided any testimony or evidence of their lived experiences, including by means other than an affidavit, of their time spent in a relevant institution, a notification...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: The amendment calls on the State to provide a statement recognising survivors who are applicants to the scheme and who have provided testimony about their life experiences in the institutions. Survivors have been silent for far too long. We urge that, under the scheme, their stories be shared. They are very powerful and need to be shared and, most importantly, to be recognised. The...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: May I come back in on this amendment?

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: That is fine.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I thank the Minister for his reply but we do not accept it. We are looking for recognition for the people who are sharing their experience. Seven months ago, I was contacted by a Traveller man who had been in a mother and baby home. He poured his heart out in completing the application form and sent it to the Minister's Department. He was in the institution for fewer than six months,...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I want to withdraw it for Committee Stage.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I am referring to Report Stage.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I will press the amendment.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I wanted a vote on amendment No. 27. I said I was pressing it.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I pressed it to a vote.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I appeal to the Acting Chairperson. We cannot stand by while people are not getting the bare minimum of recognition. Is there any other way around it?

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I said I was pressing the amendment.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: My intention will be set down on the record. How bitter could one possibly be to refuse to accommodate me in this way?

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I move amendment No. 32: In page 25, between lines 28 and 29, to insert the following: “(4) Nothing in this section shall prejudice a person’s rights under the United Nations Convention against Torture.”.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: As the Minister knows from the Committee Stage debate with Senator Higgins, we proposed to delete the part of the Bill that would force survivors to give up their rights to take legal action against the State when they accepted a payment under the scheme. These amendments were ruled out of order. As a compromise, amendments Nos. 32 and 35 would insert paragraphs providing for the prevention...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: The Civil Engagement Group was very disappointed with the reply from the Department on amendment No. 34. To make a general point, to claim that emotional abuse is recognised in the Bill when it is not is a total insult, not to us as legislators who are trying to bring about a better Bill, one where people will get justice, but to the survivors. It is an absolute insult. I am not being...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: That is what it is. I have read it and so has the Civil Engagement Group. We have been here week after week and very few of our amendments have been accepted.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I am sorry; I cannot polish it up. It is what it is.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I am pressing it. I will call a vote on it.

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (28 Jun 2023)

Eileen Flynn: I move amendment No. 35: In page 26, between lines 20 and 21, to insert the following: “(4) Nothing in this section shall prejudice a person’s rights under the United Nations Convention against Torture.” .

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