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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I thank everybody again for being very fluent and interesting today. I will ask for the Cathaoirleach's assistance on this since I have to go to the Seanad Chamber. I have a list of questions I would like to put that have been raised by today's discussion so far. I will go through them if that is all right and people might be kind enough to answer them. If they cannot do so in my time,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will start with our Australian and New Zealand friends. Again, they should not take any of these questions personally. They are designed to elucidate information. If I am correct in thinking there are 110,000 medics and doctors in Australia and another 17,000 in New Zealand, for how many active doctors and medics do the witnesses speak? If they have 1,000, that would be less than 1% of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I have a few more questions if I may get them on the record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: That is surprising, given that this is a fairly fundamental change.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, I still have a few questions that I need to put on the record, so I am asking the Cathaoirleach for liberty to put those questions. I do not mind whether I get the answers today or at some future date but it is vital that I put some questions on the record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will do my best but we have a big decision to make in this country. There is a report in The Daily Telegraph that the government of New South Wales slashed palliative care funding while directing some of that money to assisted suicide. This was AUS $150 million that was supposed to pay for items like palliative care, nurses, pain management, drugs and better end-of-life services and was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Can I ask two factual questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am grateful to the Cathaoirleach for his latitude. I am galloping through these points and I think he would agree that they are all sincerely and credibly asked. Deputy Higgins was happy that the Medical Council was confining itself to principle-based guidelines. If the statement that a doctor must not take part in the deliberate killing of a patient is not a principle, what else is? Can...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I can assist-----

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire. These were supposed to be referendums related to gender equality, yet here we are with two Bills, one on care and the other on family, which would appear not to advance anything for people's practical day-to-day needs but which remove the words "mother", "home" and "woman" from the Constitution, and gut the meaning of "family". The mystery of how we ended...

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Is it going to be a referendum of the Green Party?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Why is the Minister guarding with special care then the institution of marriage from attack? Is there any reason for that?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Why? What is so special about it?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: But why? The Minister is changing that.

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: What has it got over durable relationships? What particular protection should it have from attack?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: The special position has nothing to do with family, that is what the Minister is saying.

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: The special position had nothing to do with families. Is that the Minister's position?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It is nothing to do with family?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: What is special about marriage?

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: This has not been thought through.

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