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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I remind Members that we are dealing with amendments Nos. 46 to 52, inclusive. If they wish to speak on any of those other amendments, now is their chance.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Did Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell indicate?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Go ahead.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: The Senator can be as long as she likes.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Would Senator McDowell like to comment further?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I do not think there are any others. It is a case of "speak now or forever hold your peace" on these amendments. I can bring the Senator in after the Minister.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Does the Minister want to come in?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: He had indicated already that he wanted to come back in on amendments Nos. 46 to 52, inclusive. If you want to come in first, I can bring you in and then bring him in. It is up to you.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Go ahead.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Allow the Minister to continue without interruption, please.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: He cannot interrupt either.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Allow Senator McDowell to continue without interruption.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Yes.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: We now have a quorum.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Can I ask the Leader when it is proposed to sit again? He is confusing me by not sitting in his seat.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I am conscious that we are only speaking to a relatively short section of less than one A4 page. Section 10 contains provisions for membership of the commission and the general functions. I am not going to labour too much on GRECO as many other people have made the points about it. As we know, the Attorney General referred to the Bill as a dog's dinner. I had better disclose that I happen...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: He is still the sponsoring Minister. I do want to address the whole idea of the lay majority. I was privileged to be nominated as one of the few lay members of the Dental Council in 2010 by the then Tánaiste, Mary Coughlan. That board involves fees of zero, by the way, before anybody starts to worry about how much I was getting paid. It was on Merrion Square so I never even claimed...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I will try to keep going while I can before another quorum is called. The point I am making is that the idea that an appointments commission involving judges should have a lay majority is grossly disrespectful to the legal profession generally. I do not like the idea of having lots of people who might not know much about judges or judicial appointments as opposed to people who do it for a...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Is it section 10 or 11?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Can I clarify that? Is Senator McDowell clarifying the difference, if any, between the PAS and the PAC?

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