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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: The second issue is that 42 consultants wrote in. They were concerned about the debate that should occur on how this structure is set up. Has there been a direct meeting with the representatives of those consultants, so that their concerns can also be taken on board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Has the Department contacted the consultants directly since they issued their statement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: With regard to the structure of the board, the board of the National Maternity Hospital is independent. When the hospital is established on the St. Vincent's site, will the board be under the jurisdiction of the St. Vincent's structure or will it be independent of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Why can it not be set up so that it is independent of the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: I am asking a very clear question. Why can it not be independent of the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: It is a simple question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: The Minister could answer it here. Why can the board not be independent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: I am asking the Minister to deal with the question. Why can the board not be independent of the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: In fairness, it is a crucial question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: That is not the question I have asked. Concerns have been raised that the Department and the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group will have a say and will be able to overrule the people who are working on the front line. Can this issue be looked at so that the board that is set up to run the national maternity hospital cannot be overruled by the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: It will still be part of the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group however. Can we not draw a clear line, which can be done in company law, ensuring the board's independence and that it is not answerable to any body other than the HSE and the Department of Health? That is what I am suggesting. In other words, we now have a board that is answerable to the HSE-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: May I come in later as I have another meeting to attend for approximately half an hour?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: My apologies, as some of this may have already been raised. Unfortunately, I had to be at another committee meeting this morning. I have a question about the initial contract that was entered into, which was about the structural elements of the building and all of that structural work. My understanding is that work is now substantially completed. Why cannot the issues about the additional...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: What was the initial price in relation to phase A?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Are there still outstanding issues as regards the dispute about phase A in terms of additional claims?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Even phase A claims are still not resolved.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Can I ask about the process of dealing with the claims? Is Mr. Devine saying that, at this stage, we are going to try to get this project finished, before all of the claims will finally be determined? Are they all parked until such time as everything is finished?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Can I ask about hospital projects in other parts of the world? Has the board looked at those projects and learned from them? For instance, it is estimated that Canada’s SickKids Foundation will cost an additional 15% per annum, as the contract goes on. Has the board looked at other projects to make sure that we do not make the same error? While we have already made errors, we want...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: Is it possible that we would get information on the projects they looked at?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: 2019 Financial Statement (Resumed) (13 Jul 2021)

Colm Burke: This is so we can also see where mistakes were made in other projects outside of Ireland, that we do not make the same mistakes and that we, as a committee, are aware of what occurred. I ask that we would be given that information. On the Ontario project, I consulted with the developers there for an hour, and they gave me as much information as I needed. Likewise, we should be made aware...

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