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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Legally, it has been established that 50 to 100 cases, which is Mr. Watts' figure, have received that. Why would the others not? What is the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a compromise then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a compromise reached without going into court.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: This is a compromise reached without going to court so these matters have never been teased out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The bar people have to reach is to have had a medical card. That was tested in court. Mr. Watt and I cannot determine that now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it not likely then that they would be entitled to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is not what I am disputing. What I am asking Mr. Watt is this. Having reached that bar by virtue of having a medical card, which is the ground on which the Department and State settled, why, if Mr. A received redress, would Mr. B, who had not yet claimed it, not also get it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The basis upon which the State proceeded was that these were medical card patients in private nursing homes. Do we accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I accept that but the grounds on which patients were given redress was that they were medical card patients in a private nursing home. Does Mr. Watt accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Surely, what this looks like is that these people were not aware or did not have the wherewithal to pursue a case and make a claim because the other cases were settled outside of court. Is that not the case? These cases were settled privately before they reached the public forum of the court.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: In relation to what has happened in the past fortnight, does the Department expect an influx of cases involving nursing homes claims relating to the period in question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: As Secretary General of the Department, Mr. Watt is obviously watching what is happening and how this is playing out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Would Mr. Watt be concerned that it could be a large number?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Watt does not think so, okay. The matter of this issue being flagged up in financial statements has come up and many people find it odd that it was not in the HSE’s financial statements. In fairness to Mr. Watt, this was before Mr. Watt’s time in the Department. He was in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform at the time. The committee addressed this issue at a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Was that reasonable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Buckley said was that this was on the direction of the Minister. Would it be normal for Ministers to give such a direction?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The policy-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: From the point of view of the Committee of Public Accounts doing its work, the previous committee was of the opinion that it was being denied the opportunity to scrutinise. That is evident from the transcripts of the meeting. The €1 billion liability was apparently added as a footnote. That is what was referred to in the transcript. I would find it odd that this would not be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I ask Mr. Watt to give concise answers.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is being done to address the situation with the shortage of GPs?

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