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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: That is fine. One of the findings was that we restore and underpin confidence and transparency in the local government system and according to the then Minister of State, Jan O'Sullivan, that reform was going to be swift and emphatic. The "RTÉ Investigates" programme of March 2022 and the systemic failures uncovered revealed false accounting and employee fraud. Instead of transparency...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I know what it is but I am asking Mr. Doyle if he agrees that it has immense power - "Yes" or "No".

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Doyle has said a number of times today that local authorities are independent in making certain decisions. Does he agree they have immense power?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Dealing with vast budgets.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: They make all the decisions regarding roads. There are vast numbers of decisions made. In my case, 150,000 people live in Wexford and the local authority deals with them. If Mr. Doyle was employing senior officials at local authority level, would he say that they should be of the highest integrity, trustworthy and honest?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Does the budget of €6.1 billion in Mr. Doyle’s Department carry significant risk management?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Yes, it does. So there is a huge obligation on the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Are all the senior official level employees that have access to or have anything to do with that budget sufficiently vetted by the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: At local government level.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: The question is are they vetted properly? Is Mr. Doyle happy as Secretary General of the Department with regard to risk management, that senior officials at local level and in his Department are vetted properly?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Does the Department have a system in place that assure it of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: And Mr. Doyle is happy that it is part of a risk management strategy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: In Mr. Doyle’s capacity as Accounting Officer and Secretary General, on foot of the "RTÉ Investigates” programme in the context of councils in Cavan, Mayo, Cork, what did he do to deal with those situations? I do not want to hear that most of it was upturned on the basis of auditing. I want to know what has happened since to ensure that it does not happen again. What did...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: When did that system come into place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: How did it arise if that is the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: How did these situations - false accounting, fraudulent invoicing, employee fraud - arise? What did Mr. Doyle do since the public became aware of this through “RTÉ Investigates”? What did he do personally as the Secretary General? Did he do anything?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will be more direct because I do not have time. Has anyone been put on garden leave?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Have there been no suspensions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will probably come back to that because there is a situation in the Department of Health in which someone gave us vast amounts of information that was critical to how we understand funding and how Departments spend money, and that individual was suspended for doing a public service. It is beyond me that following the “RTÉ Investigates” programme nothing happens. Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: As the Secretary General of a Department, Mr. Doyle is saying that if a convicted rapist is going to-----

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