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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Returning to the overall projections, we have gone over the numbers we have at the moment. I have gone down through what is projected. The Department said it was 137,000 projected for Ukraine and we do not know because it depends on the conduct of the war.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: We are all hoping that there will be a ceasefire quickly but it does not look like it, unfortunately. The experts say that. Unfortunately, it looks like it will grind on for months and possibly years, unfortunately. It is awful that people have to flee this. You are looking at 32,000 in international protection accommodation services, IPAS, and 70,000 in 2023. That is the best...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: So you are probably looking at €1.5 billion to cover the cost.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am just taking a quick glance at the figures, you are certainly looking at well in excess of €1.3 or €1.4 billion, given what it is costing at the moment,

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Most of them are from those war-torn areas and are the people directly impacted, obviously. Do we have any figures for the people returning to Ukraine out of accommodation that the Department is providing? Are there signs of that happening? It is obviously small enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: To put one myth to bed, are Ukrainians, whether or not they are working, paying for their meals?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Where people in direct provision are working, do they pay?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know if they are not working they are only on the €38 payment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: So there is an element of people providing for themselves.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will turn briefly to the mother and baby homes. What is the total estimated cost of the redress for mother and baby homes?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Some 40% of those who were affected by that are not eligible because some were less than 180 days in the homes. If they were 179 days, they do not get anything. People might wonder why. I know this is a policy decision in the legislation but the party that I represent tried to change this. There are people who I am familiar with, including a friend of mine who was in a home for...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I acknowledge there are negotiations ongoing. Is it expected that a considerable chunk of the €800 million will come from the religious orders?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is Mr. McCarthy hopeful it will happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there the possibility of compulsory purchase orders or transfers of property belonging to the religious orders if the cash is not there or where they say the cash is not there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: However, earlier contributions fell short, including in the case of the Magdalen laundries scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not expect Mr. McCarthy to say what it is but does he have a financial estimate at this point of what the religious orders may be able to contribute? If they do not contribute, the taxpayer will have to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am not asking for the figure. Mr. McCarthy seems to have mistaken my question. Is there a range in terms of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the Department starting to get the shape or range of the figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will all assets, including property, be looked at?

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