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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I think we should do that and ask the Department what measures or steps it has taken to ensure that this type of situation does not arise again. There are clear criteria, judging from the way you have set out the matter here, Mr. McCarthy, and they were obviously put to one side-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will ask the Department for its response and ask it what steps are being taken to ensure safeguarding and insist that they be taken.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Briefly, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it agreed that we will note the listing of accounts and financial statements? Agreed. As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. Moving on to correspondence, and as previously agreed, correspondence items that were not flagged for discussion for this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: When you look at the claims to be determined by the employer's representative, of which there are 1,323, there is a value of €509 million on them-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: -----and the employer's representative determined amount amending the sum to €11 million, the variation in these that we have seen is striking. Obviously, you could look at it and say that you look for enough, go in begging and hope that you can come the best out of it. It would appear that there is some of that in it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy will be aware that we have them on the work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: We should revisit that at that point because that is one of the big unknowns with this project.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I wish to confirm with the Comptroller and Auditor General that the total amount in claims is that €646 million. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Then does the Comptroller and Auditor General see the ones determined by the employer's representative?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The board?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is the figure. I have seen this throughout with these claims. As a percentage, it is small.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I note 1,081 claims have gone into that now, amounting to €336 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: When they are before the committee in the near future, we can go through it with them. The claims are an area that show the potential. They are significant in number and in the amount being claimed. The awards of them, relative to the claims, have been fairly low to date. That has been the pattern.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Six to nine months, I heard them say on one occasion here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It will be early 2025.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. The last correspondence item is No. R1767. This is from Ms Carol Boate, Regulator of the National Lottery, dated 28 February 2023. It provides information on the National Lottery Act 2013 and the national lottery licence. It is proposed to note and publish this item of correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. Deputy Munster flagged this and I suggest that we deal with. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I would hope that there will be cost savings.

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