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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Those are inpatient beds?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Do they all have full occupancy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I ask Dr. Curtis to do an equation for me and to come back to the committee. Go back the last three years, get the total number of beds that are in circulation in the three hospitals, divide it by 365 for occupancy and day occupancy because we must remember that weekends need to be taken into account as well and come back to me with the figure. That is what the requirement is in this State...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree and we face population increases and so on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I do not want that. We will figure that bit out and fill in the gaps. I ask Dr. Curtis to do the equation I asked her to do, if she does not mind. Then we will see what that figure is and we will look at the figure of 473 to see if that is what this hospital requires. We will then allow for future planning and future population. With the advent of Sláintecare, information and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is fine and I am glad to hear all of this. I want to do the equation. We know what the final figure is. Once that has been done, the witnesses may want to introduce a completely separate document outlining what those other figures are. Presumably that will fill in the gap.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: We can then judge if filling in the gap was the correct procedure. I have one last question if that is all right. It is a specific question concerning private practice. What facilities in the hospital are being built to be used to provide for care and treatment for children by clinicians in private practice? What is the cost?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can Mr. Pollock indicate what the quantum is?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will come back in again. I thank the witnesses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thought Deputy O'Connell would be first. I asked earlier for full documentation on the decisions that were made. That would include minutes on the key critical milestones in the escalation of the project. I ask the witnesses to also provide a full list of attendees at those meetings, including sub-committee meetings, since the establishment of the National Paediatric Hospital Development...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It was February 2017. What date was the €60 million increase?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It was September 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. In August 2018 then, as Mr. Pollock said in evidence previously, it was €140 million more.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That was in August 2018. I presume that information would have been communicated up to Mr. Sullivan and to Mr. Breslin?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: We know that Mr. Sullivan, who is in his role for a reason, and Mr. Breslin, who obviously talks to the Minister for Health, Deputy Harris, every day, communicated that information up the line in August. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It would be strange if it was not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Sullivan definitely knew.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Sullivan knew but it cannot be guaranteed that Mr. Breslin knew.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: As well?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: What date was that?

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