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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Under pressure. On the modular homes that are planned, Mr. O'Connor said 45 sq. m. Typically, 45 sq. m would be two good-sized rooms - a bathroom, a hallway, a living area and a bedroom. Is that correct? They are one-bedroom units.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. They have two bedrooms. They would be quite small at 45 sq. m.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: What size of household are we talking about? For example, is it a three-person household or a four-person household?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: A standard local authority house would be 90 sq. m or 95 sq. m.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I have been in ones that are 100 sq. m. I lived in a house that was 55 sq. m, so I am familiar with what it is like. They can be used for social housing afterwards.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: They are semi-detached.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is good to get that clarification. I will bring in members for a second round. We could have late arrivals if people are held up in the Dáil, so if everyone could bear with me on this. We will take six minutes each for the second round of questions. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: They expect us to know and they think we are involved in something underhanded. There is a rumour mill and misinformation and we all know where that brings matters. Unfortunately it is used by some people to further a different agenda that we do not want progressed in this country. This is the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: More time is involved in modular accommodation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: That was the case with what I read in the local newspaper.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: There has still been no phone call or letter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The point is that there has been zero communication. In this vacuum, the rumour mill gets going.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have to accept that it has happened in some cases, but it is not happening in-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: A figure of just over 5,000 have status in direct provision and are in a position to move out if suitable accommodation were available. How many people in direct provision, in the IPAS system, have been refused status and what happens in that case? Of the almost 20,000 in total, how many have been refused? Mr. Kevin McCarthy may not have the exact figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand that but Mr. McCarthy's Department will be across the figures. It is a couple of hundred.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is the longest the applicants have been there for? Would some of those who have been denied status have been there for a year or two?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: As I recall, there was a White Paper on ending direct provision, and then Ukraine happened. I presume events overtook everything and we understand that, but my recollection of what was out there in respect of direct provision was that State-owned facilities were an option. Has there been any advancement of those plans?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: What size are the ones the Department bought? What is the capacity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: In terms of capacity, is Mr. McCarthy talking about ones that would typically accommodate 50 people, for example?

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