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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: How widely did the council consult with doctors about the omission of the specific section of the code? I think it is fair to say that it has raised eyebrows among a lot of people, including doctors. Was there any consultation with the generality of medical practitioners before the decision was taken to excise the section?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: The council did not ask doctors about this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It is fairly clear that we cannot draw any conclusions from what the council has done about what most medical professionals feel about euthanasia and assisted suicide since it did not consult them. It is only the view of the ethics committee that the paragraph be removed and the Medical Council ratified that. Dr. Crowe said that the removal of the paragraph was not the Medical Council...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Does the council think that students in medical schools should be required to study the administration of euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: They have to do more than study a code. They have to learn how to do things. Should they be required to study the administration and learn the practices of administering euthanasia and assisted suicide?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Clearly the Medical Council now has no problem with a change in the law.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It would be seen as convenient by those who would advocate the introduction of euthanasia and assisted suicide if the Medical Council would not need to change its guidelines were the law to change.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Has the Medical Council not washed its hands of the rights and wrongs of this issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Okay. Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I thank everybody again for being very fluent and interesting today. I will ask for the Cathaoirleach's assistance on this since I have to go to the Seanad Chamber. I have a list of questions I would like to put that have been raised by today's discussion so far. I will go through them if that is all right and people might be kind enough to answer them. If they cannot do so in my time,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will start with our Australian and New Zealand friends. Again, they should not take any of these questions personally. They are designed to elucidate information. If I am correct in thinking there are 110,000 medics and doctors in Australia and another 17,000 in New Zealand, for how many active doctors and medics do the witnesses speak? If they have 1,000, that would be less than 1% of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I have a few more questions if I may get them on the record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: That is surprising, given that this is a fairly fundamental change.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, I still have a few questions that I need to put on the record, so I am asking the Cathaoirleach for liberty to put those questions. I do not mind whether I get the answers today or at some future date but it is vital that I put some questions on the record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will do my best but we have a big decision to make in this country. There is a report in The Daily Telegraph that the government of New South Wales slashed palliative care funding while directing some of that money to assisted suicide. This was AUS $150 million that was supposed to pay for items like palliative care, nurses, pain management, drugs and better end-of-life services and was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Can I ask two factual questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am grateful to the Cathaoirleach for his latitude. I am galloping through these points and I think he would agree that they are all sincerely and credibly asked. Deputy Higgins was happy that the Medical Council was confining itself to principle-based guidelines. If the statement that a doctor must not take part in the deliberate killing of a patient is not a principle, what else is? Can...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I can assist-----

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire. These were supposed to be referendums related to gender equality, yet here we are with two Bills, one on care and the other on family, which would appear not to advance anything for people's practical day-to-day needs but which remove the words "mother", "home" and "woman" from the Constitution, and gut the meaning of "family". The mystery of how we ended...

Seanad: An Bille um an Naoú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (An Teaghlach), 2023: An Dara Céim - Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023: Second Stage (22 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Is it going to be a referendum of the Green Party?

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