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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: What I am trying to establish is whether it was definitely within the period of the old council.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: So it would have been members of the old ethics committee that would have first considered this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: So it was the same personnel who were on the ethics committee of the new council.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: So even though there is a new council in place, the old membership of the ethics committee is working on this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Where did the impetus for getting rid of this line come from and what was the reason given for getting rid of this line?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I know that, but why is the line going? It is a big and important line and has been there for years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It is not a criminal statute. It is the Hippocratic oath. It is pretty ancient and has always been part of medical regulation. I do not understand why Dr. Crowe is saying it was somehow seen as out of keeping. One would have thought that it was medical ethics 101 that one would not participate in the direct killing of a patient.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I know it is the law of the land. Medical ethics exist independently of the law of the land, or do they? Must medical ethics never disagree with what is considered permissible under the law of the land? Is it a separate journey that one makes? It was always the law of the land, yet all along it was clearly said. A medic who breaks the law of the land is of interest not just to the law of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I know that, but why-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Why is it no longer of interest to the Medical Council to make the statement that a doctor must not do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: How? It is no longer a breach.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: How widely did the council consult with doctors about the omission of the specific section of the code? I think it is fair to say that it has raised eyebrows among a lot of people, including doctors. Was there any consultation with the generality of medical practitioners before the decision was taken to excise the section?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: The council did not ask doctors about this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It is fairly clear that we cannot draw any conclusions from what the council has done about what most medical professionals feel about euthanasia and assisted suicide since it did not consult them. It is only the view of the ethics committee that the paragraph be removed and the Medical Council ratified that. Dr. Crowe said that the removal of the paragraph was not the Medical Council...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Does the council think that students in medical schools should be required to study the administration of euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: They have to do more than study a code. They have to learn how to do things. Should they be required to study the administration and learn the practices of administering euthanasia and assisted suicide?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Clearly the Medical Council now has no problem with a change in the law.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It would be seen as convenient by those who would advocate the introduction of euthanasia and assisted suicide if the Medical Council would not need to change its guidelines were the law to change.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Has the Medical Council not washed its hands of the rights and wrongs of this issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Healthcare Professionals and Assisted Dying: Discussion (23 Jan 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Okay. Thank you.

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