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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (6 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I thank Mr. Maguire for that information as the figures corroborate the findings of other research. Mr. Maguire created a database of the movements of people because he was able to witness them, as distinct from monitoring the profiles. There is a question mark against the number of people relative to the number of profiles.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (6 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: Of course.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (6 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: It sounds like Mr. Maguire has developed very sophisticated research methodology and I thank him for sharing it with us. My next question is addressed both to him and Superintendent Healy. Is either gentleman able to comment on approximately how many women involved in prostitution are free to leave of their own volition?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (6 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I have two questions for Mr. Maguire whose evidence is very helpful. We have heard also from others that it is impossible to put a figure on the number of women involved in prostitution in Ireland on a daily basis. In the light of Mr. Maguire's research, what is his response to this?

Seanad: Order of Business (5 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I want to welcome and acknowledge the journalist, human rights activist and campaigner, Orla Tinsley, who is in the Visitors Gallery today. I invited Orla to the House because I wanted to acknowledge her extraordinary leadership, as a young woman, on the public record and in her presence. We are all aware of the tireless, dignified and effective campaigning that Orla Tinsley has done on...

Seanad: Order of Business (5 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I have a question for the Leader.

Seanad: Order of Business (5 Feb 2013)

Katherine Zappone: Yet, she presents such an extraordinarily beautiful face of hope for those who can benefit, and puts out the message that other drugs will be developed, hopefully, for those who suffer with the disease. She is a hero and a leader to whom we, as lawmakers, must continue to listen. In light of the developments within the health sector, I ask the Leader to organise a debate with the Minister,...

Seanad: Order of Business (30 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I was recently given the honour of being nominated to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe on behalf of the Dáil Technical Group and Independent Senators. While attending the assembly session in Strasbourg last week, I also had the opportunity to chair a legal affairs committee in Brussels. Ireland's leadership and presence is critical for our Presidency of the Council of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: When the witness says that, does she mean she is not coming at the issue from a moral perspective? She will not make a judgment about whether prostitution is right.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I thank both witnesses. I apologise that more members are not present. The presentations were helpful. I will ask Dr. McGarry a question, as I cannot find the details in the submission before me or in the wider submission that she just presented. What sample did she use in her doctoral research, out of which she offered her views and analyses? To how many people did she speak?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: It was a qualitative methodology. Dr. McGarry stated: "Policies that solve problems need to be begin with pragmatic evidence-based data if they are to construct responses that do not start from ideological standpoints." Verbally and in written form, she mentioned that safety, human rights and social justice should be at the forefront of any legislative change in terms of prostitution....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: In terms of the submissions received by the committee there has been criticism of the evaluation conducted by the Swedes into their own legislation, particularly that it lacked scientific rigour. Does Ms O'Connor wish to comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: She was the author of the evaluation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I thank Ms O'Connor for her helpful comments.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I thank Ms O'Connor for her presentation and I regret that more members of the committee were not here for it, not only because Ms O'Connor is the author of what I believe is very significant research into this area in Ireland but also because of the way she very helpfully explained the two primary approaches we are examining. Her comments really added value to the submissions she has made....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I thank Dr. Whitaker for being so patient with our questions. To clarify, does she represent sex workers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: Dr. Whitaker does not represent sex workers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: Does that mean Dr. Whitaker speaks for them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: Dr. Whitaker referred to Norway, which is considering repealing its law because it is creating greater harm for sex workers. She also referred to a survey conducted by the Ministry of Justice in Oslo. Is it Dr. Whitaker's view that the survey provided evidence to support the view that criminalisation of prostitution is creating more harm for sex workers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Review of Legislation on Prostitution: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jan 2013)

Katherine Zappone: I note the survey was based on 123 sex workers.

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