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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I ask Mr. Breslin to address the maintenance costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Are those costs included?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I refer to the individual who we will not name and who was on the board based on competency in tendering and procurement. The Minister informed the Taoiseach and the Department of Public Expenditure of the overrun in November, whether formally or informally. That individual works in the Department of Finance, and did not go back to that Department or the Department of Public Expenditure and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am merely posing the question. It would seem bizarre. This is a national scandal. It is no reflection on the person, but given the position he or she held and where he or she works, it seems bizarre. I want to get it straight. The Minister found out about this in August, as we have heard. Until November, the Department of the Taoiseach, the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: There were no communications between the Department of Health at a political or administrative level with anyone in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, the Department of the Taoiseach or any other Department until the middle of November.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: No, I am asking the Secretary General-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I had not intended asking this question. I ask it purely because of the answer to the last question. It is very clear. The Secretary General should think about the answer. Was there any formal or informal discussion or correspondence, in any way, shape or form, politically or administratively, with the Department of the Taoiseach, the Department of Finance or the Department of Public...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I do not want a guess, I want facts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: This is like pulling teeth. Mr. Breslin has just given us more new information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is. I asked this question earlier and I was told something else.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breslin is now saying that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform was informed in October.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: How did the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform respond?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Was the phrase €200 million mentioned?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I want to know when they knew, how they knew and the formal process by which they became aware of it. In the documentation we have been provided with October and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform are not mentioned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I appreciate that. It is just that Mr. Breslin has now provided more information that we did not have before. I was taken by the reviews that occurred between August and December, and the Secretary General's honesty when he said he would not change certain things but would change certain actions. I am aware, from other committee meetings, that the electrical and mechanical issues here...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: On mechanical and electrical?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It was so obvious. Mr. Breslin is dead right. People who had responsibility over those areas will have to be held to account. I asked whether they went to tender and got costing for cabling. They did. There was one problem, however, in that they did not quantify the amount. That is where many of the costs will end up and I predict that this is what PwC will find.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is very important.

Written Answers — Department of Defence: Departmental Expenditure (22 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: 99. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the cost of air transport provided by the Air Corps to each Minister and Minister of State in each Department in each of the years 2016 to 2018, inclusive; the number of trips by year; the cost per trip by date; and the number of passengers per trip by year in tabular form. [2948/19]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Hospital Overcrowding (22 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: 366. To ask the Minister for Health the number of operations cancelled in 2018 due to overcrowding by hospital. [2469/19]

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