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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Please do.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Could you do it quickly?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: If the hospital had been completed on time, we would not have attracted a lot of these claims.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: That is the same thing, just phrased in a different way.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Eighty-one per cent is pretty substantial. It is the majority, is it not, by quite a distance? When Mr. Gunning talks about substantial completion by the end of January 2024, what does that look like? Is the fit-out done? Is it snagging? What is the expectation there?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The board expects, and the objective is, that, all things going as planned, at the end of January 2024, the contractor will be off the site.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: One of the things I have noticed over the years about capital projects, mainly roads, is that there is a good deal of expertise. We have not built a children's hospital to the extent of this one before. There would be a penalty for the loss of a lane for a day if a road is widened, for example. There would be penalties for the project not coming in on time and so on. What is Mr. Gunning...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. The contractor, presumably, would be fully aware that there is going to be a price to pay for not bringing the project in on time.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The claims are being made. Some 81% are about extension of time. On the other side of that, not bringing the project in on time incurs a penalty. I find it quite difficult to get my head around that, that there is in the contract, rightly, a penalty for not bringing the project in on time but, at the same time, the value of 81% of the claims is to do with the extension of time. Those two...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The value of 81% of the claims is to do with the extension of time. At the far end of it, there would be a reckoning for not delivering the hospital to the deadline of 13 October 2020. There are claims being made for the delay and, at the other end, there will be a reduction-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Exactly. I find it difficult to get my head around those two things.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: However, the extension is being moved only from August to October.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Are there any time triggers other than the completion date?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The last time board members were before the committee, or the time before that, there was not a full complement of people on the board. Are all the positions on the board completely filled at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Do we know what the particular vacant positions are?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Have those vacancies existed for some time?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is there a lack of expertise on the board because of that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I am conscious other members want to come in. I may come back in for some of the questions.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It is ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Deputy, your time is up.

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