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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: Our time is very short and we have that answer and I thank Mr.Watt.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: I have heard that answer. With respect to Mr. Watt, he cannot talk down the clock when we have ten minutes and we have heard that time and again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: We have heard already that there was some pushback on the timeframe to deliver because of the Covid-19 pandemic. My understanding of what the Sláintecare Implementation Advisory Council, SIAC, was proposing was into the future as opposed to what was happening during the Covid-19 pandemic. We will talk to the SIAC members whenever they appear before us. I want to turn to the Minister...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: Can I stop the Minister there, please, because that is part of the problem? We now have this narrow focus on regionalisation. I accept that the Minister is saying that this will focus on regionalisation. The Minister said in his opening statement that we are a long way away from universal healthcare. We certainly are. We can talk about 97% delivery of some elements of Sláintecare...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: I am asking Mr. Watt today what the answer to that question is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: Some €350 million will go unspent. The Minister statement then talks about 1,147 additional beds. How many of those acute beds will not come on stream this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: How many beds will not come on stream of those funded beds?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: How many of those 1,147 beds will not come on stream? It is a simple answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: I am asking Mr. Watt a question and he does not get to answer the question he wants to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: Mr. Watt must answer the questions that are being put to him. This is a reasonable question. Of the 1,147 additional beds that were funded last year, how many of them will not come on stream this year? Some 200 is the figure, is it not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: It is a bit more than that. Why could Mr. Watt not just have answered that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: Of the €150 million that was provided for enhanced community services, am I right in saying that half of that figure will go unspent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: I am asking will half the figure go unspent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: I want to make a comment very quickly, if I may, Cathaoirleach, as I have just 30 seconds remaining for me to speak. I have to tell the Minister that I do not have confidence that we are going to see any rapid reforms in Sláintecare and I am not at all comforted by anything that he has said today as to why any of these very good people have resigned. I do not have confidence that we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: Let us deliver it then.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: I see some progress.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: That would never happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: The Chair may cut me off after ten minutes. I believe there are ten minutes each for myself and Deputy Shortall. This been a long meeting. We started the meeting by trying to get answers as to why these people resigned, because these are key people. Second, we wanted to get answers as to whether we were on the right track in relation to healthcare reform. Leaving testy exchanges and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: The question then is why was the Minister surprised. I will go through some of the quotes on the public record from some of these individuals. It is more important than ever now for us to hear from these people. A standing invitation has been issued to many of the people to whom we have referred. We will have to revisit this issue next week. Returning to some of the things said on the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

David Cullinane: The Minister broadly agrees with the thrust of what she said about the slow progress.

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