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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: This is in respect of contracts that the Department of Justice signed and another Department has now subsequently determined them to be non-compliant. Has the Department of Justice examined what it may have done wrong in that respect?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The Department concluded the contracts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: That has now been determined by another Department to be non-compliant. Will the Department of Justice evaluate what it may have done wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The Department of Justice concluded direct provision contracts. Responsibility for direct provision has now been passed to the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. That Department has determined that €91 million of those contracts signed off by the Department of Justice were non-compliant. Who is going to be answerable in respect of those contracts?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: If Ms McPhillips could do that, it would be useful. I am not sure if Ms McCaffrey or Ms McPhillips could answer questions about service contracts with LMC Facilities Management, a company with offices in Dublin and Tipperary. I understand that some previous deals with that company resulted in an external investigation. Will the witnesses indicate if that investigation is ongoing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: All I asked is if the external investigation ongoing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: A new contract worth €5.6 million was signed in July 2020. It has since been found to be non-compliant. How did that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: And it was still non-compliant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: A new contract was determined in July 2020. It is a seven-year contract.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Okay. I do not have much time. I would like to touch on the ongoing debacle relating to and the set of debacles that resulted in the killing of Shane O'Farrell in 2011. In 2019, a scoping inquiry was established instead of the full public inquiry that both Houses of the Oireachtas had unanimously called for. Considering that it is now 2022, and I assume that the witnesses will not be able...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Has any other scoping inquiry taken three years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Would Ms McPhillips consider three years to be appropriate or even acceptable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Here is the difficulty. Shane was killed in 2011 by someone who should have been in prison. It is now 2022. We had the GSOC inquiry, which took God knows how long, and the Department refused to answer any questions when it was taking place Now we have the scoping inquiry, which has been in train for three years. I assume that if, as directed by the Houses, we are to have a further public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Does Ms McPhillips think it has been going on for too long?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: One of the debacles was that Mr. Gradzuiska, the man who killed Shane, was convicted of two different offences in 2010. Those offences were appealed, but the appeals never happened. On 15 May 2019, the then Minister for Justice signed the terms of reference, approved by the Attorney General, for a review of the District Court system, which, in addition to the error, was also supposed to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I have named someone who was convicted. It is a matter of record.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am asking Ms McPhillips why-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Yes, please do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: In 2020, the family had, through the Freedom of Information Acts, sought information but the Courts Service report into that set of incidents was not included in the response they received. It was my understanding that the Minister and senior officials had signed off on the fact that the family would be provided with that information. Why were the family not provided with it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am asking Ms McPhillips why the Department-----

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