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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: On the overall global figure of assessments since 2012 and the actual total number of claims, a lot of the discussion we have had today referred back to that ten-year period. What kinds of figures are there for the numbers that came in on an annual basis? Is there a figure for 2012 and a figure for 2022 where we could see the actual number of claims, if not the value of them? This could...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It has stabilised slightly with a slight reduction across that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What was the percentage? What number were settled in 2022 as compared to the amount of claims?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is the order of percentages?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: That would be in the order of about 15%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Breen for that. With regard to Covid and nursing homes how many claims have been made around nursing home deaths?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there an estimate of liability for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: At this point, is it the case that there are signs that those cases will move into mediation as opposed to an adversarial setting in court?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are there signs that this would happen? I know this is not totally in Mr. Breen's hands.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: On the controversy that arose weeks ago around the nursing home charges for patients who held medical cards, has the State Claims Agency seen an increase in the claims in the last three to four weeks from families and residents regarding those charges?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay, the agency is not handling them but does it have to make a provision for the cost of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Does Deputy Catherine Murphy have one final question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Breen. There was a request earlier that the officials would come back with an update on the civil liability amendment Bill by the end of the meeting. Do we have any update on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a bit open-ended, but I am aware that if this is the reply that the Department of Justice gave-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency: Discussion
Chapter 20: Management of the Clinical Indemnity Scheme of the Report on the Accounts of Public Services 2021
(2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Breen and the other witnesses from the State Claims Agency. I thank the Department of Health and the HSE for the work involved in preparing for today's meeting. The witnesses had to take many questions today. I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and staff for attending and assisting with today's meeting. Is it agreed that the clerk will seek any follow-up information...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: The public business before us this afternoon includes the minutes, accounts, financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The minutes of the meeting of 23 February have been circulated. Do any members wish to raise any matter? No. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published on the committee's web page. The second item is accounts...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I have a question on No. 1, on Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board. There was a non-effective expenditure totalling €848,000 on a leased unit between 2015 and 2022. Did Mr. McCarthy say the lease ended sooner than that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: So it was never used?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the unit in Naas?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do we know what purpose it was hired for?

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