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Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Again, that is not my question. What objection does Mr. O'Brien have to reading the draft report?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien is not going to use up my five minutes with this.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Let me come to the second inconsistency in Mr. O'Brien's account. He referred to Deloitte telling us it was not part of its terms of reference to conclude whether the shortfall in funding was consequent to the whistleblowing. He has said that, at the last meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts he attended, there was a dispute around figures and that he would look at those figures. As...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Excuse me. Mr. O'Brien referred in his statement to an appearance he made before this committee in February 2016. At that stage, these matters of public concern — the whistleblowing and the funding — were well ventilated and known. It seems to me that it was quite a deliberate decision not to ask Deloitte to examine the relationship between the whistleblowing and the funding....

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: When did the commission become active? I refer to the terms of reference.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien has said that repeatedly.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien, what you need-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien will not avail of the opportunity to talk down the clock, as prepared as he is, for those purposes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. O'Brien.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Cathaoirleach has ruled that we have five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What I want you to explain to me-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I want the Accounting Officer to explain how it is that he omitted from the terms of reference of a review the core question that animated discussion at this committee, the core issue around funding, which upset and distressed the service provider. It believed it had been punished, in funding terms, and that the decisions were wrapped up with the issue of whistleblowing.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is deeply pedantic but carry on.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Pedantic commentary does not take from the seriousness of the questions, and the accountable person might bear that in mind.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: May I put it to Mr. O'Brien that, as the accountable person and person whom I presume is in charge of the HSE, he is not without capacity to establish exactly what is going on within his own organisation and its decision-making organs?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. O'Brien for confirming that. I will summarise his evidence as I heard it. First, before appearing before this committee today, which is specifically asking questions about the difference between the draft document and the final document, Mr. O'Brien has not yet sought a copy of that draft to read for himself. I find that remarkable. Second, the terms of reference for Deloitte...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien has not and did not sufficiently investigate that matter to arrive at that conclusion. As Deputy Cullinane has said, it is disingenuous of Mr. O'Brien to assert this at committee because he is, frankly, not in a position to make that assertion.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That there not be evasion is the Deputy's point.