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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: At a good price.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does the €212,000 you mentioned for the building cost include the site cost?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay, that is important.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It could be quite low.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The final issue is the rent to buy scheme, and I might have used the wrong phrase. It is for people who have been in mortgage arrears where an approved housing body is willing to buy it from the finance company and rent it over a long term to a tenant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. You have to approve those houses. How many applications have gone through? The local authority has to approve the house as suitable for the tenant. It will not let a person who is a single occupant of a four-bedroom house and whose mortgage is in arrears participate in the mortgage to rent scheme. Tell me about that scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is very little considering what one hears about the number in arrears.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: How long has the scheme been in place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy is saying that in four or five years, 400 cases have been processed but 900 are in the system. We are now back to processing the waiting list. In each year since the scheme was established, how many applications have been made and approved and how many were outstanding at the end of the year? It seems more cases are bogged down in the process than have come out the far end....

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. McCarthy clarify that because it has been a stumbling block? Some people were ready to go. Somebody advises them that they could be caught for €50,000 at any time if their property is in negative equity. Mr. McCarthy must have picked that up in the cases that are locked in the system. He should clarify that in writing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will suspend until 3 p.m. When we resume, we will complete our discussion on Vote 34, Local Government Fund and Chapter 4 of the Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on central Government funding of local authorities. I thank everyone for the long morning session. Hopefully the afternoon will not be as long.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are resuming our consideration of the remainder of Vote 34 with the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government. We are also considering the Local Government Fund and Chapter 4 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's 2017 report, which deals with central government funding of local authorities. I ask Mr. McCarthy to introduce any new witnesses who have joined him for this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will start for the moment. Our colleagues will be coming in as the vote in the Dáil concludes. I want to ask a couple of questions about the Local Government Fund. A few years ago, almost €2 billion was provided through the fund. There was €1 billion in motor tax receipts. We used to have the Exchequer contribution and the local property tax, LPT, as well. That...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Exchequer contribution comes directly from the Department's Vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where does it go from there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay. We all understand that the line of income is now very limited compared with what it used to be a few years ago. Does the famous plastic bag levy go in there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a Local Government Fund and an environment fund. Mr. McCarthy might help us with this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the throughput in that fund? Is Mr. McCarthy is the Accounting Officer for it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is there not a valid point to be made from an administrative point of view in favour of combining the two accounts? The money is coming in from a specific source and going out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It has moved.

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