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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Just so that we are absolutely clear, I am more than happy with that because we need to deliberate on how we advance that. I do not take from the intention of the correspondence, and it certainly was not my intention in forwarding it, to trespass in any way-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----on anybody's statutory independence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes, absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Will the Chairman action that now?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: And then give a broader consideration to the correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The committee received and discussed correspondence specifically related to Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board, not least from my colleague, Deputy John Brady. I return to the Chairman's remark that we are "it" when it comes to regulation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I think the term used was "regulation" but I will not quibble with the Chairman over that. While I understand the idea of benchmarking best practice and giving a bualadh bos to Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board which appears to be doing things right, I am not sure it is the most useful investment of our time because ultimately the committee is an accountability platform....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I understand the logic. If we had infinite time, one might consider doing it but it is not a summit on ETBs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We have a particular function.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Members will recall that we had invited Nursing Homes Ireland to appear last week and it regrettably declined but indicated in its correspondence a willingness to appear. I thought we had agreed that we would take it up on that. I think it was on the suggestion of Deputy Catherine Connolly, if I am not mistaken, that we would write to Nursing Homes Ireland and invite it in. It required...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I support the Vice Chairman's proposal but is there a reason why the advice cannot be circulated?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why is that? Is it because they are privileged advices and anything privileged should not go on a mass email?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes. Interesting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does the Vice Chairman not see what I am getting at?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Cuirim fáilte ar ais roimh Mr. O'Brien. We have five minutes so we will both have to be brief. Mr. O'Brien has not asked for the draft document from Deloitte.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: He has asked for it.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has it given it to Mr. O'Brien?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: To be fair, that is not the question I asked Mr. O'Brien. Has he asked Deloitte for this document?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why did he not ask for it in preparation for this committee meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Here we have a wee problem because a controversy arises over differences between the draft document and the final document. I would have thought, on the basis of simple common sense, that if I were in Mr. O'Brien's shoes, as the Accounting Officer, and wanted to satisfy my mind as to what happened or the significance of it, the first thing I would want to do would be to see the draft...

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