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Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: It is interesting. Regardless of the Department, as we are dealing with our Defence Forces the scope should nearly be brought out to the limit, whereas as Mr. Justice Mahon said, it stops at sensitive information on military operations or peacekeeping operations, or whatever. It seems so constricted. I was asking those questions because I am interested. If a person made a protected...

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: That is gone because we had the Protected Disclosures (Amendment) Act 2022 signed into law recently. That list is for those whistleblowers who are penalised. Is that the category Mr. Justice Mahon is referring to?

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: All right.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: I was interested because, with the Protected Disclosures (Amendment) Act 2022, the burden of proof is now reversed. Does receiving a protected disclosure make Mr. Justice Mahon's job easier or more difficult? As for where the onus rests in that context, I will give the Army as an example. If someone in the Army goes to the Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces with a protected...

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: This is not a quiz. I am just referring to the fact that I am aware many people are watching this committee, believe it or not. People will be interested in their rights. I am conscious that a Bill on the Garda Síochána and the Defence Forces has been sitting in these Houses for quite a while. There is a lot of dust on it now and it might even nearly need to be hoovered. It has...

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Yes.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: That specifically-----

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Does this apply specifically to the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces?

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: I will definitely check up on that because, as I said, I spent 18 months working on protected disclosures, waiting for the EU to change its law and submit our amendments here.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Absolutely.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Yes, we could talk about that for months, never mind hours and days. I will certainly look into this aspect because I am very surprised by it. I am not sure if Mr. Justice Mahon's office deals with the context of my last query. I do not mince my words. I had incidents during my time in my former position as my party's spokesperson on mental health where people died by suicide in the...

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Yes.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: That they were a serving member-----

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: I thank Mr. Justice Mahon for that. It sounded very complicated but, as I said, when we are on committees, going through reports and so on, at the same time we are working for our constituents or people who have concerns, and when you are in a certain position you are duty-bound to ask those questions. I thank Mr. Justice Mahon from the bottom of my heart because I have waited nearly three...

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Yes, within the constraints and the remit.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: Thank you, Chair. I could talk all day.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: I was going to ask a question on section 114 but I will not do so as we would be here for a long time. It is a complicated process.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: It lists a lot of options and so on. I am delighted to have had the opportunity to engage with Mr. Justice Mahon today. He has cleared up a lot of matters. He has opened my eyes to a few things the committee might be able to do to improve outcomes for people and ease his workload and that of his office. I am delighted to have had the opportunity to engage with him. I thank him for coming in.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: That is great.

Committee on Public Petitions: Ombudsman for the Defence Forces Annual Report 2021: Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces (29 Jun 2023)

Pat Buckley: As they say, give credit where credit is due.

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