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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Quarterly Meeting with Department of Health and HSE: Discussion on Health Issues (25 Jul 2013)

John Crown: The National Centre for Pharmacoeconomics, NCPE, as the Minister is aware, issued a recommendation on certain cancer drugs as being cost non-effective. The Minister wisely and humanely, following other consultations, overrode that decision and made one drug in particular available. I raise the question that Aviva private health insurance is using the data from the National Centre for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Quarterly Meeting with Department of Health and HSE: Discussion on Health Issues (25 Jul 2013)

John Crown: I will make them very welcome. I have said it to their faces.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Quarterly Meeting with Department of Health and HSE: Discussion on Health Issues (25 Jul 2013)

John Crown: In reply to my question the Minister stated that these NCPE assessments were in the public domain and, as a result, Aviva had the same right to consult them as anybody else. I was in touch with somebody from Aviva yesterday who told me that it is paying the NCPE for access to the reports. That is a service, which is a legitimate activity for the NCPE to do if it can raise revenues, but...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: -----than the woman's 15-year old sister might get for-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: -----stopping that woman, if she is haemorrhaging to death, making her fearful of her life, so that she will not go into a hospital and seek medical attention. If somebody is really pro-life, they would not want that ever to happen to their daughter, their sister, their wife or anybody they even casually know. This is what our law is going to enshrine because we are not able to discuss...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: -----but I believe these are critical issues which will go unaddressed. We are going to end up with a law which will be on our Statute Book forever because no one is ever going to want to tackle this again with a barge-pole. We are going to have a situation which I believe next year, next week, next month or in five years time could lead to some haemorrhaging woman being afraid to get...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: On a point of information, I did not advocate legislation for rape. What I am advocating is the amendment of the legislation to reduce the criminal penalty on a woman who-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: For one moment, I wish it was admissible to take photographs in the Chamber. I appeal to the acting Leader to voluntarily make changes to the Order of Business. Important amendments will not be discussed and I greatly regret that. I do not mean to be disrespectful to those who have contributed at length on issues they feel strongly about but many Members would be happy for the debate to go...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: I reassure colleagues who are terribly exercised by the issue of suicidality and evidence-based medicine that we are not legislating guidelines for evidence-based medicine. Such medicine is drawn up by panels of doctors, national steering committees, professional organisations, institutions and faculties within institutions when they have examined the raw data, listened to opinion leaders in...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: I would like to call a quorum please.

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: Fairly uniquely in this House, I ran, in the one election campaign in which I ever ran as an adult - although some would argue that one too - with a brochure that stated I would campaign for the abolition or reform of that Chamber for which I was running because its electoral system was an affront to democracy, and I still believe that. I believe this is a House that needs to be reformed....

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: -----because he wanted to make a political point and, with respect, to introduce a little cronyism. Instead, while there is a need to end Tammany Hall, there is no need to replace it with the Politburo. There also has been a substantial rewriting of history. I will not use the analogy I used previously, but the Taoiseach, in his inaugural speech for a Seanad abolition campaign, stated that...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: I believe I am speaking about the Bill.

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: I have stated previously that I believe the current Taoiseach is the best we have had over a number of terms, although the competition for that accolade has not always been significant. I do not believe that the Taoiseach was in any corrupt sense involved with the former Anglo Irish Bank at all - I note allegations have been made that somehow he has questions to answer - but he was part of...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: The relationship between the bankers and the politicians was not one of highly amorous serial monogamy in which they dumped Fianna Fáil and then embraced Fine Gael.

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

John Crown: We now know that it is best described as serial polygamy, which is exactly what was happening in the relationship between these groups. There is no valid argument on its own merits for abolishing the Seanad. There is a valid argument for reforming it. The strongest argument is that if we reformed it along the lines of my Bill or my colleagues' Bill, there would be one House in the...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

John Crown: I am very disappointed to hear that we will finish at 10 p.m. and that all of the amendments will not be heard. That is very regrettable. I shall try to speak to the amendment at hand. Again, we have heard a great deal about evidence-based medicine and the fact there is no evidence basis in medicine, allegedly, for abortion ever being a treatment for a pregnant woman with suicidal intent....

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

John Crown: No other interpretation can be put forward for this fear that a non evidence-based practice will become widely pursued other than the fact that doctors, uniquely in this circumstance, will suspend their sense of obligation and rigour in interpreting data. We are not talking about doctors flown in to some little fly by night clinic. We are talking about people who are consultants. Trust me,...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

John Crown: With the greatest of respect for my dear friend and colleague, Senator Paschal Mooney, whose absolute sincerity on this issue I appreciate, I am delighted that he will withdraw his amendment. The idea that showing any kind of an X-ray or scan to a suicidal person would change him or her from being suicidal is the least evidence-based proposal that I have ever heard. To illustrate what...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

John Crown: They have ignored the fact that people voted 65:35 in the most clearly worded referendum in the history of the State, on the twelfth amendment to the Constitution, to the effect that we should not exclude suicide.

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