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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not mean this in any flippant way, but it might be useful to engage with the Association of Irish Local Government, AILG.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a good organisation that represents not just members but local authorities overall. Tommy Moylan and Liam Kenny are the officials in it. That would be a good piece of work to do. From their point of view, it has put them in a predicament. The councillors sometimes have information that officials do not have. The officials may not even live in the county whereas local authority...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Only two members of the LCDC are held accountable by the public, the two councillors that are on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: And what about the system there?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It becomes dated. Under the rural regeneration fund subhead in 2021, there was €58 million in gross expenditure. However, there was €99 million allocated. This means that €41 million was not spent. The explanation for this, which people will understand, is that a lot of work could not be done under the scheme as a result of Covid. My understanding is that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it only for community use?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Was there a good drawdown in respect of it? I have no idea; there might have been applications for a lot more than was spent. Was there a reasonably good uptake on it? Was it all spent?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: How many projects were done in 2021?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What was the average spend on them?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: This year, I understand a further 13 were announced through the town and village renewal scheme. Is that correct? It was specifically around vacant or derelict buildings, is that correct? In the current year.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: And am I correct that it is to allow local authorities to buy up to three properties?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: What can they be used for?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could it be used to renovate old local authority properties such as an old courthouse or library? There are a few of those around the country.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Borris-in-Ossory is a case in point. There is some interesting work there with the old courthouse.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: It might be useful for the committee, and also for local authority members, to have a synopsis of all the different strands of funding and what they can be used for. More and more of these get announced. To be honest, if someone asked me, I would have to refer to something to find out which ones cover what. Could the Department supply the committee with the different funding streams for...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is Ms Hurley familiar with the concept of community wealth building?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is good. I was hoping we would be making a start on it. Ms Hurley will be aware that in some jurisdictions, including the other jurisdiction on the other part of this island which may be more advanced than we are on it. Preston in England has been involved in it for a few years. North Ayrshire was a bit slower to start. Has the Department met with any officials from Preston or North...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not disagree that money is going in, but community wealth-building is essentially trying to capture that money so there is a spend within the local economy and that it creates its own dynamics. Certain ethics around environmental and social matters and labour rights come into play. Cognisance is taken of those. What has happened in Preston has been remarkable. I have looked at it and...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could I address a question to Ms Brassil from the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform? One problem that arises in this is the procurement rules. Of course there has to be competitive tendering but, no matter how much the Department pumps in, if the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform's rules are so...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Ayrshire and Preston were within the EU up until relatively recently. Preston in particular deployed methods for community wealth building and retaining money in communities that can create its own dynamic within them and strengthen local economies. If one looks at what is happening across Ireland, money is leaking out of many rural areas. I know we cannot have a utopia where everything...

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