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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am sure he does. Since when is he in that position?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sometime since 2013 anyway, is it? Or is it prior to that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: How does the witness manage conflicts of interest as a matter of interest as chief executive? What systems are in place to manage that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has the witness had occasion to declare a conflict of interest himself?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Stop saying that, Mr. Ashe.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It serves no useful purpose to repeat that ad nauseambar to cause irritation on this side of the committee room, which I am sure is not the witness's aim.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: From Dr. Thorn?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So Mr. Ashe will come to committee and answer-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----when he adjudicates that it is the right time to come.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Just to repeat that it is an astonishing thing that an independent investigator, and presumably Dr. Thorn, would advance the position of his independence, and would advise witnesses coming before an Oireachtas committee not to answer our questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can the investigator look back as far as 2012 and before that to 2004? In other words, can the investigation reach back to the Kildare VEC?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is not into the former VEC.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Without delving into the substantive detail of the investigation, and I will choose my words carefully, we now know that the Comptroller and Auditor General was not satisfied with the responses from Kildare and Wicklow ETB. Similarly, the Department of Education and Skills was not satisfied and was concerned about the responses. Was Mr. Ruttle trying to mislead the Comptroller and Auditor...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Or to frustrate.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not charging the witness with that. I am clarifying-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, it is a question.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is a question. The fact that the Comptroller and Auditor General and the Department did not get the information they needed or found themselves left with no option but to launch this investigation was not because Mr. Ruttle was in any way trying to frustrate or failing to provide the necessary information. That is what I am trying to ascertain.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Mr. Ruttle a councillor?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: In what area is Mr. Ruttle elected?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Turning to Mr. Ashe, the Comptroller and Auditor General and the Department were not happy with the information he was providing. What is his response to that?

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