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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is why need this collation of information.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a useful exercise. Payments out go through the Central Fund. We are the only committee which looks at the Central Fund. We will look at that when we have the Department of Finance before us. That is where the funds go out. It is based on a percentage of VAT. They can, however, come directly into the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine or other Departments. This...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, it was on the paediatric hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I know which letter the Deputy is referring to. I will ask that it be on our schedule for next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will deal with it next week in either public or private session. We will suspend for five minutes while the witnesses take their seats.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The purpose of this meeting is to continue examination of Vote 34 with the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government. We specifically met the Department in relation to housing matters in October of last year and the first session today is a resumption of our consideration of housing matters. At our second session we will deal the remainder of the Vote for the Department,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I apologise. We are trying to get copies. We will have it sorted out shortly. Mr. McCarthy may continue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Thank you. I invite Mr. John McCarthy to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I notice he has a sore throat so I thank him for taking the time to make his contribution. We are here to resume our examination of Vote 34 with the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government and we hope to complete our work this morning. We would have asked this question on the previous day and it is the only question I want to ask Mr. McCarthy. How many...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That was-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: To get back to my question, how many of those 4,251 units were built by local authorities?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the report, the figure given is 2,022 built by local authorities and then the balance. That includes the Part Vs, which are-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. McCarthy have a list of the local authorities which built the 2,022 units?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: No. Does Mr. McCarthy have the list available to him? We have not seen that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. McCarthy to arrange to get one of his staff to email it to the committee for circulation in a few minutes-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----because we have not seen that list. We had a debate on the previous day about building by local authorities versus other entities. Part V builds accounted for 841 units and these fall under the local authority remit. A further 1,388 were built by approved housing bodies. That is fine. In terms of the speakers who have indicated, Deputy Catherine Murphy is the lead speaker with 20...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does the Secretary General have that with him? If not, it can be sent on to us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The next speaker-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Please do. Will Mr. McCarthy clarify whether the financial total figure includes those dealt with in Traveller-specific accommodation and those who are housed in normal, ordinary local authority accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In other words, the amount spent on Traveller accommodation is far in excess of that figure. In County Laois many of them are in normal local authority-----

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