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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am aware of section 40 of the Act.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would expect nothing less. I also expect Mr. Ashe to answer these questions, which do not trespass on the substantive matters or on any view at which the investigator might arrive. I am asking Mr. Ashe regarding who signed the letters when his organisation corresponded with Mr. McCarthy?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who gave Mr. Ashe that advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Ashe has been incorrectly advised. When his organisation corresponded with Mr. McCarthy, who signed off on the letters? Whose signature was on them? Mr. McCarthy might clarify for me. What is the practice? When Ms McGeever's ETB corresponds with the Comptroller and Auditor General, who signs off on the letters?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Ms McGeever and the chair. I assume that would be standard practice, so the letters which went to the Comptroller and Auditor General would have carried the signatures of Mr. Ashe and Mr. Ruttle. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So the first item on the agenda of the investigator-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of course. Has Mr. Ruttle been similarly advised by Dr. Thorn?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is very interesting. In the course of that meeting, did he advise Mr. Ruttle not to answer questions at this committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am aware of the timescale.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I share the Chairman's concerns. With the greatest respect to Mr. Ó Foghlú, the Department, Mr. Ashe, Mr. Ruttle and Dr. Thorn, this is a committee of the Oireachtas; it is not the local bingo club or a forum one can attend and decide whether one will answer questions. The witnesses' organisations are in receipt of massive amounts of public money. There are now matters of...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, I am posing a question. I am saying that is a-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am saying that is a question we need to arrive at. Another one of the terms of reference is around conflicts of interests. Can I ask Mr. Ashe if his son works in procurement for the Kildare and Wicklow ETB?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am simply asking Mr. Ashe to establish the fact. Does his son work in that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: There is hardly an investigation as to whether or not the witness's son works in procurement.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I respectfully decline to accept Mr. Ashe's stonewalling.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. Ashe's son work in a procurement function for the ETB and when did he enter into that position? That is all I want to know.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sorry, Mr. Ashe's primary responsibility is to co-operate with this committee. Does the witness not understand that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, the witness will co-operate with this committee today. He will demonstrate respect for the Oireachtas and for the people who are elected by the taxpayers, the same people who fund Mr. Ashe's operation, and who pay his salary. He will answer my question. It is a simple "Yes" or "No". Does Mr Ashe's son work in procurement? I am not casting an aspersion. I am trying to establish...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Since when, Mr. Ashe?

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