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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: No. What was reported-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but the electronic copy that had been sent was just a working document.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Its contents were reported in the newspaper yesterday.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the electronic copy was given to a journalist. There are three references in the working document that may not be relevant in finalising our report. It was only a discussion document which had been prepared by the secretariat and circulated in electronic format. It runs to between 70 and 80 pages and we need time to read it before next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is a good suggestion. We could be tempted to do so. We will think about that one.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We have made our point. The plan is to sign off on the report next week and publish it on the Wednesday of the following week, 13 March. We want to have it done before St. Patrick's Day. On Thursday, 14 March, we will discuss the national broadband plan with representatives of the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment. We want to bring our consideration of that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is No. 1942, dated 14 February 2019. While it is comprehensive, it does not answer every question we asked. We will go back to the Irish Prison Service to seek for more information, but I ask members to contact the secretariat if they are seeking clarification on any matter related to the service. We will write to it again to seek further clarification on certain matters.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We can do so. On prisoner welfare, issues might arise involving the State Claims Agency in respect of medical negligence cases. We have established that there are only four doctors in the service and that 63% of prisoners are on medication. I have received private correspondence from people who claim that they are not receiving adequate medical treatment. I do not want this issue to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will definitely be meeting again with representatives of both the State Claims Agency and the National Treasury Management Agency, NTMA, on which there is a chapter in the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General with which we must deal. The NTMA was very quick in carrying out its business and publishing its annual report. Its representatives appeared before us prior to the summer...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In its last annual report the State Claims Agency recorded an estimated liability of €2.6 billion, of which approximately €2 billion was related to medical negligence cases. It is therefore the biggest element, but it is not the only element. We will look at the full €2.6 billion, the main element of which relates to health, although there are other issues. We will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will schedule that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: How independent could the investigations have been if there is no record of them?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are going to write again. Will the Deputy send us her correspondence so that we can follow up on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: If the Deputy sends it on we will follow up on it. Between now and next week, let us have a quick look at the accounts of the State Claims Agency to see whether they include information on non-medical negligence. If not, we will agree next week to write to the agency seeking this information as soon as possible so that we will have it well in advance of the meeting. On the Deputy's point,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is no training-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We can see where our interim report is going.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The health service has what is called the national incident management system, NIMS. We need to know whether there is a similar system in other State bodies. The State Claims Agency handles all these cases when push comes to shove. It comes under the NTMA, which happens to come under the Department of Finance rather than the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. The Deputy's point...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: One of the issues is that Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine grants under FEOGA are audited by the auditor of the European Commission rather than the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is subject to the audit committee of the European Parliament rather than the Committee of Public Accounts, but it important that we at least get the picture. It is European funding so Europe audits it. I presume it also audits our contribution to the fund to ensure it is well spent in other countries.

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