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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to clarify a point on the gas boilers. The Deputy outlined a situation whereby somebody's gas boiler breaks down or reaches the end of its life-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: As I understand it, the CO2 emissions from a gas boiler to heat a house are less than 50% of solid fuels. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I think 50% or less was the figure I heard before.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, or a bit less. Is there any way that a gas boiler can be upgraded? Can better technology, for example, a new condenser boiler, be installed using an SEAI grant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I was wondering about the figure for emissions. One of the witnesses might recall the figure before the end of the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Halpin, who is online, wants to come in there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will continue in that vein in regard to EVs. It was 1 million and now it is 840,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Dr. O'Grady should let me ask the question. The target is 845,000 cars by 2030. Is that okay?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am talking about private cars. Is Dr. O'Grady including hybrids in that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not want to get into it here but some of them give lower mileage per litre than a comparable car with an internal combustion engine. I am very familiar with one where the fuel use is higher in the hybrid because it requires a bigger engine, and a bigger suspension and it is a heavier car.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: And there is a big battery and a motor. The figures will include both. We have 77,000 at the moment. Is that 77,000 plug-ins or is it a mixture?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am very puzzled about the graph and where this is going. It is 77,000 now. What figure do we hope to be at in 2025?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: So we have 100,000 to make up in two years. That would mean multiples of the current figures. At the present rate, at best, we are looking at approximately 40,000 of an increase, which would leave us 60,000 short for 2025.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is Dr. O'Grady still satisfied we will reach the target of 850,000 private cars by 2030?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand there is no control over that. I want to ask Dr. O'Grady about the vehicles purchased last year. There was no cap, or a very high cap. Dr. O'Grady explained last year that it was being reduced to €60,000. Is there a need to go further than that? The figures I have for last year indicate that grants were given for 1,467 BMWs, 44 Jaguars, 439 Mercedes-Benz and 315 Land...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Let us compare that to a modest-size private car which is perhaps 1 tonne to 1.5 tonnes in weight.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are Jaguars and BMWs getting grants this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there a need to bring down that by €10,000? One can still buy a very large EV for €40,000 or €45,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it under consideration to reduce the ceiling for the price? At the moment one can buy a vehicle for up to €60,000. We know there is a higher rate of purchase of EVs in areas where there is substantial public transport. I do not want to pick on people in south Dublin, Dún Laoghaire or anywhere like that, but we do know that there are a lot more of them than there are in my...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just a second. We know that from the figures we got last year. The point is that a lot of those big EVs are being purchased by people who have a bus stop not too far from their front door, a tram passing very near to them or cycle lanes. We see a lot of them driving in on such routes in the morning, whereas someone down the country is paying high carbon taxes. A lot of low-paid workers in...

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