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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. Ashe's son work in a procurement function for the ETB and when did he enter into that position? That is all I want to know.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sorry, Mr. Ashe's primary responsibility is to co-operate with this committee. Does the witness not understand that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, the witness will co-operate with this committee today. He will demonstrate respect for the Oireachtas and for the people who are elected by the taxpayers, the same people who fund Mr. Ashe's operation, and who pay his salary. He will answer my question. It is a simple "Yes" or "No". Does Mr Ashe's son work in procurement? I am not casting an aspersion. I am trying to establish...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Since when, Mr. Ashe?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am sure he does. Since when is he in that position?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sometime since 2013 anyway, is it? Or is it prior to that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: How does the witness manage conflicts of interest as a matter of interest as chief executive? What systems are in place to manage that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has the witness had occasion to declare a conflict of interest himself?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Stop saying that, Mr. Ashe.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It serves no useful purpose to repeat that ad nauseambar to cause irritation on this side of the committee room, which I am sure is not the witness's aim.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: From Dr. Thorn?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So Mr. Ashe will come to committee and answer-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----when he adjudicates that it is the right time to come.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Just to repeat that it is an astonishing thing that an independent investigator, and presumably Dr. Thorn, would advance the position of his independence, and would advise witnesses coming before an Oireachtas committee not to answer our questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can the investigator look back as far as 2012 and before that to 2004? In other words, can the investigation reach back to the Kildare VEC?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is not into the former VEC.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Without delving into the substantive detail of the investigation, and I will choose my words carefully, we now know that the Comptroller and Auditor General was not satisfied with the responses from Kildare and Wicklow ETB. Similarly, the Department of Education and Skills was not satisfied and was concerned about the responses. Was Mr. Ruttle trying to mislead the Comptroller and Auditor...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Or to frustrate.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am not charging the witness with that. I am clarifying-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, it is a question.

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