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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, who is a permanent witness at the committee. He is joined by Ms Deirdre Quaid, deputy director of audit. Apologies have been received from Deputy Deering. The minutes of the meetings of 14 and 21 February have been circulated. Is it agreed that they be published? Agreed. Any matter arising will be dealt with...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a question for Mr. McCarthy. In his report, he refers to this document that we are calling the memorandum. He obviously saw it as part of his work.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will be guided by him. If it is suitably redacted - the committee has not seen it - Mr. McCarthy might need to check it out-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand that Mr. McCarthy could not do so off the top of his head..

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy had access to that as part of his audit. If he feels that, with suitable redactions regarding names, etc., it is safe to give it to us-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will take Mr. McCarthy's view into consideration as to whether we should pursue it directly again with Waterford Institute of Technology on the basis of the names being redacted.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is stated that a letter was received on 2 February from two individuals indicating that there are a number of false allegations and potentially defamatory statements.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: No. I will read the second paragraph of the letter. We will put it up on the screen. It states that the institute is eager to facilitate the committee. However, it also states that on 2 February it received legal correspondence on behalf of two individuals-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----named in the memorandum. In the letter, counsel for the individuals communicated their clients' position that the memorandum contains a number of false allegations and potentially defamatory statements which could put their clients' good names at risk and materially prejudice their commercial interests and professional reputations. The letter suggests that any disclosure of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's request now is that we write to the Department-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I wish to clarify one matter. With regard to the information given to us regarding the shareholding, they have asked us to remove it because it is not accurate. However, did we not receive that from them?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is up to them to issue a statement indicating that they are not happy with it and we will publish any amendment they seek, but I am reluctant to take down information we received from them in good faith.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: They cannot do it now. There is only one shareholder.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will write directly to the HEA and the Department and give them a copy of this correspondence-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will write to the Department and the HEA, as the Deputy suggests, and give them a copy of this correspondence. We will ask them for their current position on these matters. With regard to the shareholding, they say the information may be misleading. We will ask them to clarify what they mean. If they tell us precisely what they are talking about, we will publish that letter when we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Which?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. There is an email attached to this letter with many redactions in it. I propose that we not publish that at this stage.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will forward this correspondence directly to the Department and the HEA.

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