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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: Of course, I very much regret that the board resigned. This is a policy area that is overseen by my Department. I accept that the implementation of the scheme was a matter of dissatisfaction to the members of the board at that point. I very much regret that they felt that the option that was open to them was to resign. Getting the review up and running has taken some more time to do...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: I will just conclude, and I will of course answer all the questions the Deputy puts to me. Many of the criteria require careful consideration of issues about health, as well as about the health of citizens who have a level of need that the Government and the State needs to support. This is work that the Department of Health and with the Department of Finance aims to do speedily.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes, I did.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: As I said to the Deputy in my opening answers to the questions on this, it has taken longer to get the review up and running than I would have wanted-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: That would have happened at a number of points across last year. By furnishing any material that the Deputy wants in relation to it, we will be able to indicate to him when the correspondences or conversations happened.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: No.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: I will first answer the Deputy’s second question. Yes, any documents in my Department that are connected to this issue will be shared with the committee. I will arrange for that to happen. On the period of time involved with the appointment of the board, we expect this process to become public in the next few days, at which point I hope that applications will be received for the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: If the Deputy will bear with me for one moment, I will get the details on this. Under Vote 7, according to what I have in front of me, it is €309,000, which is an increase on the estimate for last year of €280,000.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: We may well have a discrepancy that we will try to resolve as the committee meeting goes on. In the briefing I have, it is €309,000 with an estimate of €280,000 in 2021. I see what it is. I can reconcile it. The Deputy is referring to €5,000 in 2021, and we can supply further information to him on this point, which was a subhead for administration. That was for...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: It is reflected in the documentation that I have, which includes a line going from €280,000 to €309,000.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: I am looking at the relevant information regarding the Vote. I have different figures from the Deputy's. There is clearly an issue we need to resolve to make sure we are communicating the correct information to the committee, but I have €280,000-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: In respect of that Vote, where on page 7 is the line the Deputy referred to?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: I see the line the Deputy referred to. I will have to come back to the committee on this because the information I have, which I accept does not correspond to the line Deputy Doherty referred to, states that our estimate across that period for 2020 was €280,000. I will have to come back to the Deputy with further information on that. I see the line he referred to.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: First, to assure the Deputy and anybody watching, the committee has the correct information and the correct Vote, but during the meeting I will try to clarify the issue the Deputy raised. On what that subhead is used for, it provides for the communication and marketing expenses of the Department, including fixed and mobile phones, voice telephony and data network links.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: I am informed that there has been a change in the subheads due to changes in our financial management system and our accounting. We will provide a note to the committee regarding that.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: This is being used by my Department to assist in any research needs we may have during the year with regard to the implementation of Housing for All.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: As far as I am aware, we have not made a definitive decision about how it will be used as of yet.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: The kind of areas that are important to me are trying to understand, for example, what is driving cost within construction at present and those particular elements of it that may be relevant to the Department of Finance. That is the kind of issue that fund could be used for.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: There are 950 staff now involved in work that is related to Brexit. Our focus in 2021 was to support traders during the initial Brexit transition with more than 100 staff deployed in that role. As it stands, we now have 715 staff involved in customs-related duties, 87 staff in control functions, six staff in legislative services, 25 staff in support functions and 117 staff in trader...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(26 Jan 2022)

Paschal Donohoe: That is a really good idea. So far, the need for it has not arisen. What we do have in the Department of Finance is a number of members of staff who are seconded to different embassies. For example, we have Department of Finance officials based in London, Berlin and other embassies across the United Kingdom and the European Union. To date, there has not been a demand for Revenue officials...

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