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Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statements 2014 (26 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: Is not there an element of fraud involved in this. Does Mr. Murnane think so?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statements 2014 (26 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: I am surprised Bord na gCon has not done so. If Mr. Murnane was to admit to me to me it was, effectively, a con job, I am surprised he has not done so.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statements 2014 (26 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: The pigeon came back from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. The answer is as vague as the previous responses we have got from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statements 2014 (26 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: Yes, I agree, especially with regard to the IBRC investigation. The last line is interesting that in order to complete its work by the end of 2016, a request has been made for funding of €3 million. Yesterday, the Taoiseach mentioned that this investigation could possibly take eight years. Lets do the maths. If that is the case, or even close to it, given that by 2016 an additional...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statements 2014 (26 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statements 2014 (26 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: I think Bord na gCon should contact the Garda. There is a bad debt here of €71,000. I request that Bord na gCon look into the issue legally.

Order of Business (25 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: The issue I raise relates to proposed or possible legislation to deal with transactions related to IBRC. If it is the case that the current commission of investigation into the dealings of IBRC may take several years to complete - as the Taoiseach indicated, some estimates suggest it could take eight years to complete - a revised financial appraisal and assessment needs to be done and made...

Order of Business (25 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: I believe this matter falls within Standing Orders.

Order of Business (25 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: When the High Court judge heading the commission of investigation refers to a potential waste of taxpayers' money, the first step should be to conduct such an analysis and circulate the outcome to everyone involved. The Committee of Public Accounts discussed this issue last week and took the view that the commission of investigation should not be open-ended. That is the first step in...

Written Answers — Department of Health: Rare Diseases Strategy Implementation (24 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: 364. To ask the Minister for Health the resources available to the new national rare diseases office in implementing the recommendations contained in the national plan for rare diseases; and the progress made to date. [41193/15]

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: The correspondence in question is a classic case of bureaucratic doublespeak especially when one gets to the third paragraph. It does not explain what has happened. It just takes fragments of different regulations and constructs an argument as to why the Department did what it did. The correspondence does not explain how the Department got into the dreadful mess of a disastrous tender...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: It would have been appropriate for his officials from the Department to attend.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: On the same point, and I was going to mention this later, when it comes to the commission of investigation into the IBRC the point the Chairman makes is valid because in recent days we have found that the estimate for how long it will take could be approximately eight years. Did the Department know this when it put its memo to Cabinet. What was the length of time for which the Department...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: Surely the Chairman has made a fair point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: We are now finding out, after the fact, based on what the person leading the commission of investigation has said, that it could take eight years. Was this even closely factored in when it came to the memo? At how much was it estimated?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: Does Mr. Watt take the point-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: -----about reasonable due diligence-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: -----based on his opening statement and the analysis he pointed to which needs to be made when Exchequer funding is spent that surely we are doing things after the fact here? Everybody was amazed by the eight year projection, and it seems to me that in the initial analysis this was not well-known at Cabinet, or there might have been second guessing with regard to this in the first place.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: We have learned nothing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 41 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 4 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 5 - Management of Government Grants
Chapter 6 - Payroll Accrual for National Accounts
Chapter 7 - National Lottery Fund
(19 Nov 2015)

John Deasy: It is, and that is fair enough, but it seems to me if we are making a decision without knowing fully how long something will reasonably take it defeats the process from day one. This is the point Mr. Watt made in his opening statement. We have a very recent example that belies and makes a mockery of what we already know about how long these things take and the type of the overruns we have...

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