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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I do not know where we are going with this meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I accept that, but this is becoming bizarre now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have one last comment. Given what has transpired, perhaps the Chair might want to have a word with the officials. That is up to the Chair, however.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry to interrupt. With the committee's permission, could we take the opening statement as read?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: Okay, that is fine. Work away.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: On a point of order, it was not the Department of Health; it was the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have four questions for the Secretary General and his colleagues. My questions relate to the Estimates process, the functionality of the Department, communications between Departments and circular 12/2010. These are my four topics and I hope to get through the four questions. Article 28.4.4° of the Constitution states, "The Government shall prepare Estimates of the Receipts and...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: Yes

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I understand that. I apologise for interrupting but I am stuck for time.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I know but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thank Mr. Watt.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I apologise for the engagement and I know Mr. Watt must answer the questions but I have a short time and I would appreciate it if he could keep the answers short. The sum of €100 million is not Mickey Mouse money. I know in the scale of what Mr. Watt has presented, it is a fraction but it is not Mickey Mouse money.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I know. I am just saying that with regard to the scale of the issue it might be a fraction of the total spend, as Mr. Watt has outlined, but it is €100 million. When the Estimates were revised in December, there was full awareness in the Department of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: There was, because Mr. Watt told us there was in November. We had to come in to do Revised Estimates. It has been pretty embarrassing for the Government over recent weeks when it had to do it.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: At the MAC, where a member of the board was sitting, and which Mr. Watt admitted met more than 40 times a year, there was awareness of this. It is not credible in my eyes or in the eyes of most people to state there were Chinese walls and that Mr. Watt or the Minister was not made aware of anything to do with an overspend. If that is accurate, which is what is being said, there is an issue...

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Watt answered the question specifically.

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: One second. Mr. Watt stated that he was made aware on 19 November. His Minister, at another committee, said he found out on 9 November. Did it take ten days for the Minister to tell Mr. Watt?

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: Actually, Mr. Watt-----

Public Accounts Committee: Oversight and Implementation of Capital Projects and the Role of Public Officials on State Boards: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of Government Procurement (7 Mar 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree with Mr. Watt.

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